Just keep walking, preacher-man.

River ,'Jaynestown'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Mar 28, 2013 4:12:11 am PDT #16326 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I hope you find an amazing job and the f-sticks call you in ten months desperate for help and you are too busy to even care that they are crying sad woeful tears.

I hope you charge them triple time with a four hour minimum as a consultant.


Burrell - Mar 28, 2013 5:50:55 am PDT #16327 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Because of the defensive stance so many of them take I have found myself jumping through hoops to present it as likely something other than their precious work product, but could they just take a look at this error and help me out. And these people work for me!!! Just delicate flowers I guess.

Aw Laura, you are good peeps. I am continually surprised at how often the best way to manage adults is to treat them like toddlers. Or maybe it's just that most people flourish when you tred gently on their egos.


Connie Neil - Mar 28, 2013 5:59:01 am PDT #16328 of 30001
brillig

I've been lucky, the grey is coming in as blonde streaks, which looks kind of nifty in the dulled auburm.


Laura - Mar 28, 2013 6:41:58 am PDT #16329 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Or maybe it's just that most people flourish when you tred gently on their egos.

My employees are software developers, and my customers are doctors. I am getting way too much experience dealing with ego.


§ ita § - Mar 28, 2013 6:50:42 am PDT #16330 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

A couple of my developers are super defensive

Yeah--my charge to the finish line meant I handled a couple fixes without her, and everything that broke afterwards was because of my fix, she said. Now, she'd still need to fix it, but I guess it made her feel better to point fingers and then wander away for a bit. But in discussing it with a more experienced developer, he likened it to blaming car problems on something you'd done to the microwave, just because you'd had the microwave in the car at some point. If you can't tell that a specific screen throwing a Java "value not found error" is *not* because IIS isn't installed on the server (it was only installed on it fora few hours last week, and everything has worked successfully since it was removed) and *is* because you mislaid a file the page needs to load...you look like an idiot.

Yeah, I did ask her if it was about that file, and she got pissy and said I'd uninstalled IIS, so maybe I'd broken it. Thanks, hon, that really changes everything, and by everything I mean nothing, since IT'S STILL YOUR JOB TO FIX IT and YOU'LL CLEARLY DISCOVER THESE THINGS AREN'T RELATED. She's really paranoid about looking wrong but apparently not about looking stupid. The Ca developers all laugh at her.

And I don't consider "Hey, can you look at this error message the business is getting? They're dead in the water" to be treading on egos in any way. What she needs to do is tread on someone else's in order to make herself seem less stupid, and she's yet to "win" that little game. I like to help by throwing out any changes I've made that align with problems, but apparently my ability to define "aligh" and hers, well, don't.


Consuela - Mar 28, 2013 6:55:20 am PDT #16331 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

So I got semi-permanent color yesterday: a brown a shade or two lighter than my old color. It's still pretty jarring, though, by comparison with the grey. My stylist says the color will fade, letting the grey show through in flecks rather than growing out from the roots. In any event, I'm really only doing it while I'm on the market--as soon as I get another job, I'll stop coloring it again.

She's really paranoid about looking wrong but apparently not about looking stupid. The Ca developers all laugh at her.

I think that's the Dunning-Krueger effect in action, because she doesn't realize she's making herself look stupid.


brenda m - Mar 28, 2013 6:57:23 am PDT #16332 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

If I thought I were seriously being cruel or hurtful, I'd feel worse about this. But, honestly, if she delivered, if her learning period wasn't a year and counting, if she didn't say things like "well, I don't know that, find another developer" when she knows it's not knowledge anyone has--she just doesn't want to learn...

You can be fucking sure I told him that stuff. Fuck "throwing her under the bus." It's funny that she's clearly been complaining about me, and one of the problems is that I stop communicating and either hand her the solution (from myself, or getting someone else to fix it), or do the work myself, instead of stopping at the analysis like a good little analyst.

Ugh, ita. That all is so reminiscient of my failing team member last year. The defensiveness, the refusal to really learn, or to own the fact that she didn't know or couldn't handle key parts of her job, the blaming things on not being communicated with or hand held enough. I was very lucky in that she reported to me, and my boss was behind me 100%.

Oh, but did I mention here that I got reported to the global ethics hotline because it was just so unfair to fire such a hard worker for no reason at all?


Steph L. - Mar 28, 2013 6:58:19 am PDT #16333 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I got reported to the global ethics hotline

Dang, *global*? That's...actually kind of impressive. (And, of course, ridiculous.)


Laura - Mar 28, 2013 7:07:06 am PDT #16334 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

I got reported to the global ethics hotline

Umm, high five?

I notice the highly defensive people pretty quickly because it is a personal character flaw. I'm working on it, but it is my first reaction when stuff blows up.


brenda m - Mar 28, 2013 7:10:22 am PDT #16335 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Yeah, that was fun. But everything was documented (performance improvement plans, crappy annual review scores, stakeholder feedback) etc. so it wasn't anything to worry about. My boss laughed.