Or maybe you could just be Buffy, he'll see your amazing heart, and he'll fall in love with you.

Xander ,'Get It Done'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Ginger - Mar 26, 2013 8:23:08 am PDT #16095 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

This is consistent with what some of the Supremes have been saying about Roe v. Wade - that it was too much, too soon and should have been played out on a state by state basis.

Living in Georgia all these years has not made me a fan of states' deciding anything about fundamental rights. If it were up to the state, Dairy Queens would probably still have "colored" and "white" windows.

I am old enough to remember when only New York and, IIRC, Hawaii allowed abortion. New York was the destination of choice for people I knew, anyway. Legalizing abortion state by state meant that people with the money for the airfare and the procedure could get abortions, but people with limited means effectively could not.

It applies even less in same-sex marriage. At least if you go to another state to get an abortion, you don't get the fetus back when you cross the state line. Same-sex couples can't get married in Massachusetts and stay married in Georgia.

Also, rights are not supposed to be subject to majority rule.


Jesse - Mar 26, 2013 8:24:24 am PDT #16096 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Legalizing abortion state by state meant that people with the money for the airfare and the procedure could get abortions, but people with limited means effectively could not.

And of course, it's the same thing again now, as states un-legalize it.


meara - Mar 26, 2013 8:32:01 am PDT #16097 of 30001

This is consistent with what some of the Supremes have been saying about Roe v. Wade - that it was too much, too soon and should have been played out on a state by state basis. That it would have been less polarizing that way.

Yeah, I saw that. And the person mentioning it was like "and I'm sure racists would've preferred slavery ended in a more gradual way, but that doesn't mean it would be RIGHT...why pander to assholes who will be angry at some point no matter what?"


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 26, 2013 8:38:57 am PDT #16098 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Seriously. I think the stalwart bigots are going to be frothing at the mouth over being thwarted in any way, up to and including not being able to have whoever they want arrested for "rubbing deviant lifestyles in their faces" by holding hands and whatnot. Instead of appeasing them, hand them their asses in court and then let them spend all their energy in a losing battle to undo it through legislation when public opinion is rapidly tilting in favor of equal rights and right-wing candidates are losing votes over the issue.


§ ita § - Mar 26, 2013 8:50:27 am PDT #16099 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"and I'm sure racists would've preferred slavery ended in a more gradual way, but that doesn't mean it would be RIGHT...why pander to assholes who will be angry at some point no matter what?"

That's pretty much what came to mind--if it's a right (and thusly important), how tenable is waiting? Would I rather be a free person and racists are really pissed, than a slave and racists are kinda pissed? I'm only gonna go one way on that, really.


Jesse - Mar 26, 2013 8:54:19 am PDT #16100 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Of course, there were decades of agitating for the end of slavery before it actually happened. And don't forget that Lincoln thought (at one time) that the best idea was just to get rid of the black people in America altogether.


Consuela - Mar 26, 2013 8:58:37 am PDT #16101 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

NY Times graphic on the various outcomes from the two marriage equality cases: [link]


P.M. Marc - Mar 26, 2013 8:59:00 am PDT #16102 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

That's pretty much what came to mind--if it's a right (and thusly important), how tenable is waiting? Would I rather be a free person and racists are really pissed, than a slave and racists are kinda pissed? I'm only gonna go one way on that, really.

Yeah, there's really only that one way to go there.


msbelle - Mar 26, 2013 10:56:31 am PDT #16103 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

afternoon malaise is setting in, so I am online shoes window shopping:

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Jesse - Mar 26, 2013 11:13:28 am PDT #16104 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Related to shopping, do you people have opinions about the best way to use credit card/bank points? I feel like most rewards are about the same value per point, except for occasional sales. Mostly right now I'm trying to decide between cashing in the medium amount of points I have for a Lands' End (or similar) gift certificate (money I would probably spend anyway, at some point), or save it until it's enough for a plane ticket (also probably money I would spend anyway).

Strategies?? I have both Citi Thank You and Discover rewards.