Kaylee: You're nice, too. Mal: No, I'm not. I'm a mean old man.

'Serenity'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Nov 19, 2012 1:43:31 pm PST #1484 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Ohhhh, like everything the government does? Sure. If we're talking personal expenditures, his salary becomes his, as do book sales, etc.

I realize I do not need to tell you this.

I can't believe I've had corn meal in my house for so long and was still making corn muffins from a box. It was like two more ingredients, and slightly more delicious.


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2012 2:10:53 pm PST #1485 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I need to be told things. Apparently no one believes children are born scientists, yet this needs to be debunked. Also, having your software say "in 1 second" is gold-plating, and what concrete value does NOT BEING WRONG have? (eta: grammatically wrong--I understand that no computer in the history of ever has correctly predicted how long a second that hasn't happened yet (measuring work your computer is doing) is going to span. Or not span.)

Hey! I'm leaving work before 6 today. And not just because my manager and boss aren't here, but also because I didn't sleep Saturday night BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T TAKE MY SHIT SERIOUSLY. I could have been back in bed by 2 (or at the ER, not trying to send work emails hopped up on dilaudid) if they'd taken me seriously when I said shit needed to be scheduled. Instead of telling me at 8:30am that stuff was pretty much done.


ChiKat - Nov 19, 2012 2:25:43 pm PST #1486 of 30001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

So I'm on hour 11 of parent teacher conferences and still have over 2 hours to go. I am ready for this to be done!


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2012 2:25:50 pm PST #1487 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, hey. I have a question about identity, minority, and majority. I just read:

"I grew up reading a generation of American and English people like [Saul] Bellow, [John] Updike or [Martin] Amis. Everybody’s neutral unless they’re black — then you hear about it: the black man, the black woman, the black person. Of course, if you happen to be black the world doesn’t look that way to you. I just wanted to try and create perhaps a sense of alienation and otherness in this person, the white reader, to remind them that they are not neutral to other people." Zadie Smith, discussing how she never mentions the race of any of the characters in her new novel, NW, unless they are white

The assumption here seems to be that white people don't mention race of white people. I can't work out if it is also that black people don't mention race of black people. How do Asian people deal? Are they in the book?

I'll probably tell you everyone's race or no one's, but unless it's a sooper sekrit NAACP meeting, probably not just the one.

So I'm wondering if her book is supposed to echo my experience or it's just supposed to mirror an experience for us of reading white-as-default books.

I keep remembering people realising the race of the protagonist in Anansi Boys because they only mention race when white, but that's not my black experience, so it confused me.


le nubian - Nov 19, 2012 2:52:23 pm PST #1488 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I have not read any of her books, but I thought one of her books featured a biracial person.

Shouldn't she just name everyone's race? I don't get any kind of naming/not naming if you aim to be progressive.


Kat - Nov 19, 2012 2:59:51 pm PST #1489 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I'm confused. I'm pretty sure that Obama has made millions in the past years. His last tax return shows he made $789,000ish in 2011 with most of that coming from book royalties. So probably over the course of two years he's made at least a million. Good on him for spending some of it. He's keeping our economy going.

eta I looked it up because he has released enough returns. In 2010 he made $1,795,614, with only $395,188 from his presidential salary the rest from his royalties. So yes, he's made millions.


Jesse - Nov 19, 2012 3:04:41 pm PST #1490 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

The assumption here seems to be that white people don't mention race of white people.

It is my experience that in books written by white people, only white people's race isn't mentioned, generally. If that was your question.


Sophia Brooks - Nov 19, 2012 3:42:38 pm PST #1491 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Also, in real life, I have found that black people mention either race or shade, but white people mention nothing. It is actually pretty funny to watch someone try to describe a black person without mentioning they are black. But teh black people I know will say "Oh, Katie, she's white, has red hair". "Oh Jessie, the light skinned one, not the dark skinned one.". Meanwhile the white people are all like "Jessie-- she has brown hair and eyes, kinda short..."


Jesse - Nov 19, 2012 3:48:57 pm PST #1492 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I'm not going to lie, I have made a point of describing people of white.


le nubian - Nov 19, 2012 3:49:23 pm PST #1493 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

So I was talking to one of my students who is a White woman. She married a Filipino and many of his family flew to Pennsylvania where she is from for the wedding.

She is from a small town with little diversity and apparently many of the townspeople thought her groom and his family were Black! I guess they hadn't met too many Black people either.

I screamed with laughter! I couldn't help myself.