It's all about choices, Faith. The ones we make, and the ones we don't. Oh, and the consequences. Those are always fun.

Angelus ,'Smile Time'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Amy - Jun 14, 2012 6:47:52 pm PDT #9765 of 30001
Because books.

MPREG sometimes seem like an anvilicious gender definition of the victim. As in, "I want these two pretty boys together, but I want to make sure everyone knows I think X should be the feminine partner."

Hustle is in its sixth season, for real? I thought that show just started. Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong one -- is this Kristin Bell and Don Cheadle?


-t - Jun 14, 2012 6:49:01 pm PDT #9766 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

That's House of Lies. Hustle is British, and I didn't know it was still on...


Cass - Jun 14, 2012 6:49:29 pm PDT #9767 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Does anyone here like MPREG? Do you feel it's the same psychology as the forced/alien impregnation trope where the victim is female?

I'm either having a hard time figuring out how a man being *able* to get pregnant is comparable to *forcing* a woman into pregnancy or ... no, that's precisely where I have a hard time. Unless it is forced MPREG. But then the emphasis should be on the forced, not the M of the preg.

People disappoint me.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 14, 2012 6:50:56 pm PDT #9768 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Boston (and surrounding environs) gets a lot of shittalk about bad driving but people there drive with PURPOSE. We just get agitated if you don't have a plan too. Really, a lot agitated. And turn signals, you can't put those on until just before you turn, because it's a sign of weakness and you are GIVING YOUR WHOLE STRATEGY AWAY.

Conversely I find that driving in New Orleans merely results in me being royally pissed off, whereas Boston scared me out of ever driving there again and I white knuckle it as a passenger in anything smaller than a bus.


§ ita § - Jun 14, 2012 7:00:30 pm PDT #9769 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Unless it is forced MPREG

Most of the MPREG I've encountered has been unexpected pregnancies. It's not rare by a long shot, at least not in Supernatural fandom. Dean doesn't know that's how Nephilim are conceived and he doesn't have the power to terminate a half-angelic baby...that sort of stuff.

Putting emphasis on the forced comes hand in hand with body horror, so that's not rare either--it's the only sort of MPREG enjoyment I've seen explained, in fact.

The heteronormativity of much slash never fails to amaze me. Such an investment in penetration being dominance, but from the people *I* had assumed would know that was not inherent--the people traditionally penetrated. Once it sunk in, I started feeling alienated, to be honest. It hadn't occurred to me that was such a pervasive interpretation of sex, *including* from straight women.

I mean, for most of us, that's much of our sex life. How can it always be that power distribution...no, I still don't get it.

Hustle is in season 8 now. The episode I just watched was season 6. I went back to it when people started calling Leverage a ripoff, and boy are they knee jerk and missing a whole bunch. *So* not similar. Irritates me.


§ ita § - Jun 14, 2012 7:34:23 pm PDT #9770 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, I had to unfollow OKCenemies. A couple to many "I don't like Hitler, but I liked his solution" shit out there. I wonder of OKC is a decent place to find a cash pig.


Karl - Jun 14, 2012 7:34:47 pm PDT #9771 of 30001
I adore all you motherfuckers so much -- PMM.

Thank you for all your good wishes, folks; you're the best. I miss you all.


javachik - Jun 14, 2012 8:23:36 pm PDT #9772 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

And thank you for your birthday wishes, people. Very thoughtful and nice to read. And a very happy birthday to Dylan!


DebetEsse - Jun 14, 2012 8:28:28 pm PDT #9773 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

The heteronormativity of much slash never fails to amaze me.

So much this.

And the fixation on penetrative sex. Because of my current fandom infatuation, I come across a lot of first-sexual-encounter-ever fics. After several, "I don't think that's the good idea you think it is, madame author," thoughts, I just started saying, "fucking heteronormativity" and closing the tab.


Burrell - Jun 14, 2012 8:33:02 pm PDT #9774 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Take care of yourself, Karl.

I am not a fan of MPREG, but a friend of mine, tenured professor no less, is writing a long MPREG piece. She's having fun with it, but every so often the wrongness of it just hits me.