(Why is Spony green?)

In the very early ST:TOS episodes, didn't they dye Spock a little green?

If it was really paleo, wouldn't these people also be getting a lot of exercise trying to hunt and gather their food?

115 years is a good run, right?

The world's oldest animal marriage looks set to have turtley ended after an incredible 115 years when the two Giant Turtles at an Austrian zoo refused to share their cage anymore.

Zoo management have called in animal experts to try and give the pair counselling - feeding them romantic good mood food and trying to get them to join in joint games - but so far without effect.

Zoo boss Helga Happ said: "We get the feeling they can't stand the sight of each other anymore."

Bibi and Poldi have been a pair since before anyone alive today can remember - they have been together at the Austrian zoo in Klagenfurt for 36 years and before that they lived at Basel zoo in Switzerland.

Zoo boss Helga added: "They are both 115 years old - they have been together since they were young and grew up together, eventually becoming a pair.

"But for no reason that anyone can discover they seem to have fallen out, they just can't stand each other."

Zoo staff realised the pair had fallen out after Bibi attacked her partner - biting off a chunk of his shell - and then carrying out several further attacks until he was moved to another enclosure.

Although they have no teeth Giant Turtles have a horn rimmed mouth and powerful jaws that are a potent weapon when they want to cause damage. Each of the 100 kilo animals has the ability to kill the other if they wanted.

Zoo staff have told the experts that nothing has changed in the pair's routine - but Bibi in particular wanted to have the cage to herself and be a single.

Helga added: "We have staff talking to and trying to engage the two in interacting, and we hope that they might find their harmony again.

"We were told that it's very rare that after so many years animals who are a pair will fall apart, but that's where we are. We hope though we can bring round a reconciliation."

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What *is* the connection between Paleo and Crossfit? Does one recommend the other?

I think there are just a lot of people who are into both. If you hang with one community, you're likely to hear a lot about the other. And most of the CrossFit people I know think sugar is the devil, so Paleo/Primal makes them happy.

I don't question the health effects of eating Paleo, I'm sure they are getting all the nutrients they need. But I feel at liberty to snigger at the way they sell themselves on the concept.

Like, it could be the second coming of nutritional Jesus

"This is my body, take it and eat; for I am low GI and heart-friendly."

No one's really arguing about meat, eggs, and vegetables (though some people eschew root vegetables), though, which makes Paleo essentially Atkins.

Yeah. There isn't a Paleo argument against root vegetables, because H&Gs would totally have eaten root vegetables, unless Paleos are claiming that domesticated vegetables are Right Out, in which case, good luck with your foraging in public parks, dude.

The Atkins argument against root vegetables is that they're usually full of carbs. Tasty, tasty carbohydrates. NOM.

I'm not really on board with Paleo being into eggs, though, since an easy supply of eggs is a result of domesticated fowl, and they wouldn't have been available year-round in quantity in the real Paleolithic.

If it was really paleo, wouldn't these people also be getting a lot of exercise trying to hunt and gather their food?

Well, yeah. And that too. Although some research has indicated that in the kind of environment real H&Gs lived in, one would only have had to spend a couple of hours/day looking for food, on average. Like a 20-hour work week, basically. I guess you spend the rest of the time tattooing your neighbor's back, and picking lice, and carving flutes out of antelope bones, and making Clovis points.

All the people I know who preach Paleo (there might be more following it, they're just not talky) teach Crossfit. So I was wondering if it was in the documentation or something.

Spock isn't green in The Cage. I know his blood is supposed to be green, but they never played that through, IIRC.

Why not root vegetables, though, Zen?

Two schools of thought, as I understand it. One says our primal ancestors would not have digging in the ground to find food and thus wouldn't have eaten roots. (Speaking as an anthropologist, I say bullshit.) The other says our primal ancestors might have eaten root vegetables, but the blood sugar/insulin hit is bad for us. (I disagree. The insulin hit isn't that bad because of the fiber in the vegetable. Most hunter-gatherer societies eat starchy root vegetables if they have access to them. And some of them get fat, too, especially the women. I think most of us have an idealized notion of how much exercise the average hunter-gatherer gets on a daily basis.)

Google seems to agree with me.

eta: Link doesn't work. I googled "is spock's skin green".

Or maybe yellow?

'The Original Series' is famous for its garish costumes and sets. The purity and almost surreal vibrancy of colors in the new transfer far exceed that of earlier DVD releases. The yellowish tinge of Leonard Nimoy's makeup in the early episodes is much more obvious here than it's ever been before. (The thinking at the time was that Spock's green blood would leave his skin with a jaundiced look, an effect that was toned down as the series progressed).

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