But I understand. You gave up everything you had to find me. And you found me broken. It's hard for you.

River ,'Safe'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - May 22, 2012 3:11:29 pm PDT #6274 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Could you be the last woman to be using just one deodorant? (Mar, 1969)


§ ita § - May 22, 2012 3:16:16 pm PDT #6275 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It would take an immense amount of stupid to be present at an AA meeting and think it was ok to take pictures.

I'm not so curious about okay, more about legal. What specific threshold does AA meet to make it illegal. Does it have to be on the walls? In the name? Group papers?

Basically--what's the minimum I have to do to establish expected privacy in an otherwise public space?


Jessica - May 22, 2012 3:19:25 pm PDT #6276 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Ah, that would probably take a lawyer to answer.


Amy - May 22, 2012 3:22:07 pm PDT #6277 of 30001
Because books.

Not a lawyer, but I think it would have less to do with the space than the rules of belonging to the group/participating in a meeting. Unless you mean someone who isn't in the group taking pictures. Refraining just seems like common sense and respect.


Jesse - May 22, 2012 3:33:03 pm PDT #6278 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Hil, I'm constantly getting spoiled for reality shows on FB, if I don't watch them when they air. I figure it's my own fault.

Oh, fucking god, I don't know if you've met racists until you've met all Jamaicans.

I hate to say this, but I'm pretty sure my grandmother was actually being racist against Jamaicans (or maybe other Caribbean folks), so that brings it full circle? She said something about the "dark" women who came to clean her house being mouthy. I figure it was actually an accent issue, and probably not really an attitude issue, but didn't explore it further with her.


§ ita § - May 22, 2012 3:34:28 pm PDT #6279 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The lifehacker post says it's illegal, period, so that's what I'm curious about. They never define "expectation of privacy". I mean, I can sit around and expect all I want. Does it take someone witnessing my expectation for it to have legal weight?


§ ita § - May 22, 2012 3:35:04 pm PDT #6280 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Jamaicans (or maybe other Caribbean folks)

Hey, we don't all look alike, you know?


beth b - May 22, 2012 3:37:21 pm PDT #6281 of 30001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

The library is a public space - photos are taken. However, if someone starts taking photos of kids, without talking to parents or making some sort of annocemnet( lik I'm from the local newspaper) we ask questions .

When I worked retail it was no photography - because that is how ideas were stolen ( and shoplifting was planned.

In my gym they say no photography - and because it is private , at the very least they can bar you from the gym


-t - May 22, 2012 3:37:50 pm PDT #6282 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I don't think the anonymity of AA members is so much a legally protected right as an ethical tradition that members hold to. For a non-member to take pictures of members during a meeting, I don't know what consequences that might trigger. Other than the meeting would probably go closed.

That said, meetings don't usually take place in public places per se, they're in rented meeting areas.

The lifehacker post says it's illegal, period, so that's what I'm curious about.

Yeah, I think they are wrong about that. But it's a common misperception.


sarameg - May 22, 2012 3:38:04 pm PDT #6283 of 30001

Well, damn on Grace still having the trache.

Good luck with the house!

ION, I did get my car back from the mechanic for under a grand. Just barely. But the exhaust system (original) was all rusted out, radiator hoses badly needed replacing (this I also knew, I could hear the vacuum leak) which also meant a fluids flush AND the drive belts were way past due.... So, yeah. Still cheaper than a new car. And all maintenance related rather than random failure. That was last year's...whatever that was. Ehn.