I'm so sorry, but if it makes you feel any better, my fun-time-Buffy party night involved watching a robot throw Spike through a window, so if you want to trade... no wait, I wouldn't give up that memory for anything.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


le nubian - Nov 06, 2012 10:18:31 pm PST #29645 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

bt,

you might be right about the Republicans needing to adopt a new strategy, but I am not sure they will. My twitter feed told me that Repubs have lost the popular vote in the last 5 out of 6 elections. That's amazeballs.


§ ita § - Nov 06, 2012 10:35:57 pm PST #29646 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

but if it is CA propositions, here is a good tally:

It isn't a proposition. It has a letter instead of a number. I should just get up off my ass--make more fizzy citrus. and get ready for be, after having grabbed tmailing instructions with the deets.


billytea - Nov 07, 2012 1:20:00 am PST #29647 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

you might be right about the Republicans needing to adopt a new strategy, but I am not sure they will. My twitter feed told me that Repubs have lost the popular vote in the last 5 out of 6 elections. That's amazeballs.

This is true. It was true of the Democrats after 1988 too, after which they of course managed to move to the centre. They nominated the moderate and southern Bill Clinton, changed party platform, nominated candidates they thought would win rather than those most closely aligned with the party platform. All that stuff.

Which certainly lends credence to your belief the Republicans won't easily follow the same path. It required a great deal of planning, and perhaps more importantly, it involved the party leadership taking decisions away from the rank and file, e.g. by the inclusion of superdelegates in the primary process. (Continues today, of course, noting for instance the nomination of the pro-life Joe Donnelly.)

The Republican leadership, I'm sure, would like very much to be able to do that, noting just what the Tea Party has cost them over the last four years. But the fact that the Tea Party is an organised force will make it harder to sideline them. (I would add also because the Repubs have been alienating moderates and imposing purity tests on themselves, further radicalising their followers. The GOP of 2012 is distinctly more extreme than the Democrats of the 1980s.)

I don't think it's impossible though. Nate Silver found, in one study, that the longer a party is out of power, the more moderate their Presidential candidate tends to be. It would fit that trend for the Tea Party to fade in importance and the GOP to become more forgiving of heresies in the name of electability. And the establishment does have power within the party. They actually got the candidate they wanted this time around; just at the cost of making him sign onto the full raft of unelectable positions.

However, let's throw in one last roadblock. The Republican old guard, who knows how to win elections, that's one thing. But their rising stars, like Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal (and yes, Paul Ryan) are to all appearances true believers. If the GOP did decide to change direction, who could they anoint as standard-bearer next time around?

Personally, I'm good with that. They can double down (again), and they'll lose, and it'll be more like 2008 than 2012. Next time around the economy will be well into the recovery, the Affordable Care Act will be in full swing (and I rather suspect the reality will be rather more popular than the idea), the new Democratic candidate (and they'll likely have some decent options) won't have the baggage that Obama carried into this election. Shifting demographics won't be any more favourable. I'm reasonably confident that Obama's second term won't contain any disasters on the scale of the global financial crisis. (Government debt, however, will probably still be quite hefty - Obama's proposals aren't sufficient to address it - and there's the risk of inflation and even a new asset bubble developing.) I doubt 2016 will be any better terrain for hard-line conservatives than 2012 was.

Changing course will get easier over time, as the purists get weaker and the desire to win gets stronger. But you may well be right in the here and now.


Tom Scola - Nov 07, 2012 1:55:51 am PST #29648 of 30001
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

Simon Pegg’s tweet: [link]


Calli - Nov 07, 2012 2:21:06 am PST #29649 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Seriously, I would love to see the Republican Party go to the Huntsmans of this world.

I'd like this, too. I'm an independent who had voted Dem all her adult life because the Rep options have just been getting increasingly crazy and vile. it would be nice to have to think about it.


Anne W. - Nov 07, 2012 2:41:19 am PST #29650 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I'm delighted to see that McCaskill not only beat Akin, but beat him by a sound margin. It was my great privilege and pleasure to have voted against the man.


msbelle - Nov 07, 2012 3:00:18 am PST #29651 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Voter turnout down from 2008. Estimates for Texas are that it is down 10% or more. goodness. maybe I should have tried to make some gotv calls. TX is getting really close to 50/50 in a lot of counties and if changes to the state government can start to reflect that, then pockets of this state will become a lot more attractive to live in.


Jesse - Nov 07, 2012 3:02:48 am PST #29652 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

The MA assisted suicide question is still too close to call, which accurately reflects my family, at least.


brenda m - Nov 07, 2012 3:24:55 am PST #29653 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Looks like 30 passed - so glad for all our Californians.


JZ - Nov 07, 2012 3:28:47 am PST #29654 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Early AM, and Prop 30 is officially YES by a nice impressive margin. Morning assembly at the playground at Matilda's school is going to be positively giddy. Coming so soon after the Giants' triumph, I'm almost afraid a couple of teachers are going to physically disintegrate, their bodies unable to contain the joy within. Though I'm pretty sure they are happy to take that risk to get the glee.

askye, your friend's husband's post is incredibly gracious and eloquent and makes me a little ashamed of how ungracious I've been in the past in his position. Would you mind asking him if he'd mind an admirer at the other end of the continent sharing it with some of her church group?