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Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sophia Brooks - Oct 22, 2012 8:39:10 am PDT #26589 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Also, I just read "Off the Books", which was a study on a particular Chicago neighborhood, and how there is a whole second shadow economy going on in poor city neighborhoods that was varying degrees of "shady". I wanted to read it because after I started taking the bus and interacting with a really wide range of people, I noticed how hard some people were working just to make a few dollars-- selling DVD's, selling pies, selling lunch, running day cares, selling cigarettes by the each, doing odd jobs, collecting cans and bottles, selling their bus passes and food stamps etc, etc. There are people working all day just to scrape by, with or without assistance, and I would not call them lazy. Now, I am not sure they would all want a "regular day job", because it really takes a lot of energy in my city to use the bus to be on time for a job- I am lucky, my job is more flexible if the bus is late. But not really lazy!

ETA: Seriously-- taking the bus is one of the best decisions I ever made-- I love seeing all different people instead of just the same people all the time, and although I was a far left leaning person in the first place, and I think I understood "country" poverty, this has helped me understand "city" poverty and working class-ness.


DavidS - Oct 22, 2012 8:41:38 am PDT #26590 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hey, it stopped raining! And the sun came out!

Right? It was a torrential downpour when I took Emmett to school this morning.


le nubian - Oct 22, 2012 8:47:05 am PDT #26591 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Sophia,

in neighborhood parlance that's called "hustle." no income group has a monopoly on people who work hard. that's the myth the privileged perpetuate in order to keep income equality at maximum levels.


JZ - Oct 22, 2012 8:51:18 am PDT #26592 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I think people do stop trying eventually. Because small economies like you describe might not fix the whole mess, people get discouraged. Even I do. And look for dumb little ways to comfort themselves, etc.

OMG yes THIS.

Related to which, I wish I could track down my favorite Chesterton essay ever, which was about the asshole attitudes of the well-to-do toward being spare-changed by drunks and addicts. He pointed out that as long as you're rich enough to do it on your own dime in your own house, you can drink yourself into stupor and bodily ruin with no social consequences as long as you manage not to lose your fortune or kill everyone else; but if a combination of being dealt a lousy hand at birth and making lousy guesses and poor choices with that lousy hand has led you to the point where you're sleeping in a doorway under a smelly blanket and your shoes are lined with newspaper, how DARE you spend one penny of the charity anyone should unwillingly give you on any substance that numbs the misery and puts the bleakness at bay for an hour. If your life is that utterly shitty, apparently you owe it to the entire universe to keep yourself totally sober and hyperaware of that shittiness.

Not that he thought a permanently alcoholic permanent underclass was a good idea -- he hated it -- but he just thought it was hypocritical bullshittery of the highest class to benefit from a society that creates those rigid social strata, complain about every effort to change that societal structure to make things better for the people at the very bottom, and then act the moral scold at those whom you've just ensured can never escape the bottom for not wanting to spare themselves one small temporary comfort that won't make a damn bit of difference to the bigger picture.


Consuela - Oct 22, 2012 8:53:06 am PDT #26593 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

no income group has a monopoly on people who work hard

Indeed.


JZ - Oct 22, 2012 9:35:17 am PDT #26594 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Holy shit, either I killed Natter or in fact the Buffistas have a monopoly on people who work hard, and we all ran off to do so at the same time (I sincerely hope it's the latter, and apologize if it's the former).


erikaj - Oct 22, 2012 9:35:17 am PDT #26595 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

GK Chesterton and John Munch have the same theory. That happens, well, I'm guessing never!


JZ - Oct 22, 2012 9:36:17 am PDT #26596 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Ooh, is there a Munch version of the same rant? Because I'd *love* that.


Jesse - Oct 22, 2012 9:41:44 am PDT #26597 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

For my own part, I got distracted both by work and by thinking about taking a train trip.


Sophia Brooks - Oct 22, 2012 9:43:17 am PDT #26598 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I got distracted because my work email went over the limit and I had to archive or I couldn't send anything. I do not like that. I want to be able to keep at least as much email as I do in my gmail account.