Yeah, I could do that, but I'm paralyzed with not caring very much.

Spike ,'Showtime'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kate P. - Oct 12, 2012 8:45:14 am PDT #25423 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I am sore from packing up two moving pods yesterday so I can work on get our house ready to sell. My DH leaves tonight for two weeks and I may be a little mad at the universe over that bit of timing.

Ugh, Sparky. I totally feel your pain; that was me a month ago, when M went to Germany a week before our moving date. Can you rope some friends into coming over to help out?

Loving the Biden-love. I think some of you would appreciate this t-shirt: [link]

Man, it's Friday afternoon and I am so totally uninterested in doing anything work-related. Mostly I'm just biding my time until my parents get into town. They're coming to help us unpack and generally get the house looking OK, and I've been looking forward to this visit for WEEKS. I'm so excited, both to see them and to get some serious house work done. Woo!


Tom Scola - Oct 12, 2012 8:52:31 am PDT #25424 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

The first company I worked for after college wanted to know the SAT scores of all its hires.


Jesse - Oct 12, 2012 8:57:37 am PDT #25425 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I can give you my SATs more easily than GPAs, for whatever reason.

When I left the Rite Aid this morning, a white dove and some black crows flew right past me. I felt as if I was in a 70's rock song.

So I just realized that all this time, I thought Stevie Nicks was singing about a white-winged gull.


Atropa - Oct 12, 2012 9:16:06 am PDT #25426 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Help me, hivemind. I need a sanity check before I go tell someone their idea is Not Good and start drama.

Having a "safari" theme for anything, especially, oh, a steampunk event, is kind of fail-y, yes? That the whole concept of "safari" is loaded with imperialistic, colonialist baggage, and there's no way to lessen that?

And for the record, "safari" is the theme these people settled on AFTER realizing that their first choice of "Darkest Africa" was maybe not a good idea.

facepalm

I don't expect that I'll be able to get them to change their minds. But I feel I need to try, especially in light of the RaceFail that's already happening in steampunk. (Robert of Abney Park being an insensitive ass? I'm completely shocked. Really.)


Jesse - Oct 12, 2012 9:26:49 am PDT #25427 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

That the whole concept of "safari" is loaded with imperialistic, colonialist baggage, and there's no way to lessen that?

I would say yes, especially as a "theme," ESPECIALLY as a theme that's being implemented by white people in the US looking to a fictional past.


Kate P. - Oct 12, 2012 9:32:15 am PDT #25428 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Yeah, I agree with Jesse. If you're creating an event that's supposed to be celebrating/reliving the Victorian era, especially the Victorian era of the British Empire (which seems to be what steampunk is most often referencing), then the whole "safari" concept is, uh, really problematic.

And for the record, "safari" is the theme these people settled on AFTER realizing that their first choice of "Darkest Africa" was maybe not a good idea.

WHAT


msbelle - Oct 12, 2012 9:33:25 am PDT #25429 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

but the imperialistic/colonialist stuff is kinda twisted in the steampunk oevre isn't it. All the 18th century Britishness of it all. The Disney Tarzan area has stuff that oozed of steampunk, if I remember correctly. Not that it should be party theme.


Atropa - Oct 12, 2012 9:47:11 am PDT #25430 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

but the imperialistic/colonialist stuff is kinda twisted in the steampunk oevre isn't it. All the 18th century Britishness of it all.

Sadly, it is. There are people trying to change that, but I'm not sure how much luck we'll have. It's one of the reasons I don't participate in the steampunk culture as much as I could; there are parts of it that I find inherently problematic. Sure, I like Victorian-styled fashions, and the mourning customs and occult movements are fascinating, but on the whole? Not actually an era I want to recreate.


le nubian - Oct 12, 2012 9:52:17 am PDT #25431 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Jilli,

stay strong girl. stay strong. not a good look.

send them the colonial Africa wedding pics with comments as context.


Typo Boy - Oct 12, 2012 9:52:48 am PDT #25432 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Of course the Difference Engine, one of the early Steampunk novels took on those aspects head on, quite successfully I thought, so being soft on imperialism is not inherent in the genre. For that matter before the term was invented Moorecock's Oswald Bastable novels were hardcore steampunk, and and managed to both capture the appeal, while deconstructing and sentimentalization of empire. I could almost hear Moorecock muttering "fucking Kipling", all through the books, even though the characters and technology were full of nods not to Kipling but to Jules Verne.