What? I'm not allowed to hit people? Wesley: Not people capable of genocide. Angel: Those are exactly the types of people I should be allowed to hit!

'Just Rewards (2)'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Atropa - Oct 12, 2012 9:47:11 am PDT #25430 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

but the imperialistic/colonialist stuff is kinda twisted in the steampunk oevre isn't it. All the 18th century Britishness of it all.

Sadly, it is. There are people trying to change that, but I'm not sure how much luck we'll have. It's one of the reasons I don't participate in the steampunk culture as much as I could; there are parts of it that I find inherently problematic. Sure, I like Victorian-styled fashions, and the mourning customs and occult movements are fascinating, but on the whole? Not actually an era I want to recreate.


le nubian - Oct 12, 2012 9:52:17 am PDT #25431 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Jilli,

stay strong girl. stay strong. not a good look.

send them the colonial Africa wedding pics with comments as context.


Typo Boy - Oct 12, 2012 9:52:48 am PDT #25432 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Of course the Difference Engine, one of the early Steampunk novels took on those aspects head on, quite successfully I thought, so being soft on imperialism is not inherent in the genre. For that matter before the term was invented Moorecock's Oswald Bastable novels were hardcore steampunk, and and managed to both capture the appeal, while deconstructing and sentimentalization of empire. I could almost hear Moorecock muttering "fucking Kipling", all through the books, even though the characters and technology were full of nods not to Kipling but to Jules Verne.


Atropa - Oct 12, 2012 10:01:20 am PDT #25433 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

One of the underlying problems is that steampunk has turned into mostly a cosplay/SCA: Victorianana movement. People feel they need to create a persona to take part in steampunk, and everyone wants to be a lord/lady/airship pirate. So when other people point out that incorporating "Wild West Indian", "Great White Hunter", or "Gypsy" into their personas & costumes is at the least uninformed and clueless, and at the worst offensive and racist, the usual response has been "But it's just a costume! We're just playing! It looks awesome! Why are you being so meeeeean?"

I was much more excited about steampunk when it looked like there was going to be a stronger focus on the Maker Movement, and less about pretending to be someone else. If I wanted to LARP, I'd go back to the Camarilla.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 12, 2012 10:02:34 am PDT #25434 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

When I left the Rite Aid this morning, a white dove and some black crows flew right past me. I felt as if I was in a 70's rock song.

You should have dived sideways in slow motion while firing off a gun in each hand, Scrappy.


Atropa - Oct 12, 2012 10:02:56 am PDT #25435 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

However, the steampunk convention I'm attending at the end of the month is going to be the first one where I WILL be in a character-specific costume. The theme is Victorian Monsters, and the Infamous BlueJay and I have taken this as the opportunity for me to dress up as a Victorian gender-swapped Beetlejuice. I'm really looking forward to it.


hippocampus - Oct 12, 2012 10:06:32 am PDT #25436 of 30001
not your mom's socks.

I was much more excited about steampunk when it looked like there was going to be a stronger focus on the Maker Movement

Yup. This.

Jilli, can you suggest "explorers" ?


Atropa - Oct 12, 2012 10:10:29 am PDT #25437 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Jilli, can you suggest "explorers" ?

I will, but I suspect that the people behind the event really REALLY want to wear pith helmets and feel like they're the heroes in a Rider Haggard novel.


Jessica - Oct 12, 2012 10:20:49 am PDT #25438 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I cannot stop laughing at these [link]


hippocampus - Oct 12, 2012 10:25:21 am PDT #25439 of 30001
not your mom's socks.

I suspect that the people behind the event really REALLY want to wear pith helmets and feel like they're the heroes in a Rider Haggard novel.

yeahhh. You can glue a lot of cogs on a good pith helmet.