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Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Apr 24, 2012 1:51:27 pm PDT #2213 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Can someone help me with the stats of this article? It seems as though he's saying that the stats prove that almost half of all rape reports are false accusations, but I admit I am HORRIBLE with statistics. So I can't really figure it out.

[link]


le nubian - Apr 24, 2012 2:06:14 pm PDT #2214 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Allyson,

this seems to be the relevant paragraph:

Combining this 27% with the initial 212 "disproved" cases, it was determined that approximately 45% of the total rape allegations were false.

and:

In the study of false rape allegations in the midwestern town and state universities, over half of the accusers fabricated the rape to serve as a "cover story" or alibi. This included 56% of the non-student and 53% of the student false accusers.

These are two different studies of rape allegations.


Allyson - Apr 24, 2012 2:13:53 pm PDT #2215 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

So he's saying that about half/over half of all rapes accusations are false, and these stats bear that out.

Really? Half or more? Or is this sleight of hand?

The common stats according to FBI and everywhere else are between 5-8%

What gives?


Jesse - Apr 24, 2012 2:14:36 pm PDT #2216 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

So I've been eating bean and cheese tosadas for dinner the past few nights, and they are delicious! But keeping the refried beans in the can in the fridge as I went kind of made me feel like I was eating dog food... Hmm.


Hil R. - Apr 24, 2012 2:17:04 pm PDT #2217 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Allyson, it looks like they're using several different definitions of "false allegation," and combining the statistics from different studies as if they were all using the same definition. I'm a little too tired to read it closely right now, though.


Typo Boy - Apr 24, 2012 2:22:21 pm PDT #2218 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Taking the first example of a high percentage of "false" accusation. (Kanin, 1994)- well known study. Its "rigorous" methodolgy really meant rape victims were treated as guilty until proven innocent and pressured into retracting. David Lisak. [link]

I was able to look that up quickly because I've encountered the Kanin study before. No time for the others.


Sheryl - Apr 24, 2012 2:22:21 pm PDT #2219 of 30001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Got back from Toronto(via Buffalo) last night. The con was great. Lots of good music and good friends. Also, Gary was inducted into the Filk Hall of Fame, which honors those who have contributed significantly to the filk community. (We've been sitting on the news since January.)


Polter-Cow - Apr 24, 2012 2:27:46 pm PDT #2220 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

That's great, congrats to him!


Allyson - Apr 24, 2012 2:27:46 pm PDT #2221 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Thanks for helping me out guys. I was uber confused.


le nubian - Apr 24, 2012 2:30:00 pm PDT #2222 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

The studies seems to have a small number of participants and seem to be on (?) college campuses. I think FBI stats who include a wider swath of the population, have more people are likely going to be more reliable.

Do I think it is *possible* that the false accusations are above 8%? Yes. Do I think they are as high as 50%? hell no.

But I can imagine constructing a study where you'd get 50+%. Citing two studies to support this point is not particularly persuasive for me.