but not so irritating I won't do it to lessen the pain.

Well, yeah, I'd do it if it lessened pain. Hell, if it lessened my relatively-minor back pain, even, I'd do it. I just can't see doing it for beauty. Not because I'm not shallow! Partly because I can't get past the fact that it's a poison, and partly because I don't really believe the results would be worth it.

(who else were you going to have do it?)

DIY. Homegrown botulism in an old can of beans. Or the BotoX Xpress kiosk in the mall. Depends if I have a coupon.

Oh, thank god! I've been meaning to ask if anyone has tried True Lime --every time I mix up a glass of True Lemon I think I'm gonna come back and ask, and then I get distracted. It's been days.

But now that the word Lemon is up there (in a context I'm perfectly okay with not understanding), lemme ask--is the True Lime as fun as the True Lemon?

Steph, I left that hyphen in for you! You're welcome.

Partly because I can't get past the fact that it's a poison

Lots of things if done wrong/more will kill you. The key is not to do them that way. You're not actually trading a bit of death for beauty. What is the "worth" that it doesn't have that's related to it being botulism toxin?

(You haven't said you're bothered by facial immobility--that's the part I don't like--the "poison" is of no import to me whatsoever. The tylenol in my cupboard is a bigger threat to my health.)

is the True Lime as fun as the True Lemon

I like it better, but I like limes better. It bears the same relation to limes as True Lemon does to lemons.

Lots of things if done wrong/more will kill you. The key is not to do them that way.

True.

You're not actually trading a bit of death for beauty.

I didn't think of it that way, but that's an excellent line!

What is the "worth" that it doesn't have that's related to it being botulism toxin?

I don't understand the question.

You haven't said you're bothered by facial immobility--that's the part I don't like

Having never done it, I'm not sure how much I would be bothered by partial facial immobility. I suspect, a lot. My fear is that it would be permanent, and I think that fear would be persistent until it wore off.

The tylenol in my cupboard is a bigger threat to my health.

Ah, but that poison is in my control. I know how much is deadly, I know how much I myself can take (the recommended amount makes me woozy), and I am in control of those pills. Nobody else is shoving them in my mouth. I don't have to be concerned about the skill and knowledge level of the person giving me the drug/poison.

This is what the NY Times alert I just got said:

The following is the full text of President Bill Obama’s prepared remarks for his speech on Thursday from the Democratic National Convention.

The tylenol in my cupboard is a bigger threat to my health.

Well Tylenol is pretty evil occasionally. It's probably the scariest thing that is randomly in my medicine cabinet. Not least of all because it's OTC and most people don't know it can be dangerous. Actually, it's probably the scariest thing without any qualifiers at all.

Our drug laws are occasionally baffling.

You said that botox isn't worth it--that implies some sort of a trade, right? What are you giving up, in exchange for the effects of botox? I'm not getting sick, I'm not shortening my life, I'm not increasing my risk of dying or getting ill that day by any significant amount.

I'd consider crossing the street to be a bigger risk to my physical wellbeing than putting myself in the hands of a medical professional to administer the treatment. And I never think "is it worth crossing the street to get that bagel?" Well, not in an "I might die today" way. In a "fuck off I'm tired" way probably, yeah.

This is what the NY Times alert I just got said

I pay them money each month, I should totally be getting that alert. No one told me there would be wistfully funny things with the NYT...