Oh, I wish those council guys would let me have an hour alone in the room with her, if I was larger and had grenades.

Willow ,'Storyteller'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sophia Brooks - Aug 22, 2012 5:59:15 am PDT #19013 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Every time I fake a sick day, I get sick for real as soon as I come back to work.

Me too! It is really annoying. It is possibly because I fake sick, it is because I feel a little off, but am not really sick. It is probably the beginning of the sickness.


Connie Neil - Aug 22, 2012 6:00:14 am PDT #19014 of 30001
brillig

So men who are trying to explain why they explain things are being dismissed as part of the problem? How are they supposed to respond to these kinds of things then? Obediently say "Yes, dear, you are, of course, right"?


Jesse - Aug 22, 2012 6:03:07 am PDT #19015 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Every time I fake a sick day, I get sick for real as soon as I come back to work.

Me too! The worst.


brenda m - Aug 22, 2012 6:08:33 am PDT #19016 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

So men who are trying to explain why they explain things are being dismissed as part of the problem? How are they supposed to respond to these kinds of things then? Obediently say "Yes, dear, you are, of course, right"?

Some of them, sure. If your explaination is that "I have a really hard time not chiming in when I think I know about something"*, well, I have that problem too. If your explanation is that "this problem of mansplaining is not really real because I have very good reasons to explain, and anyway women do it too, and also men do it to men, and so I can't credit your own observations based on your lived experience" then yes, STFU.

*Even better if it's combined with "I don't think I do it more to women than men, but maybe going forward I'll try to see if there's a pattern there or not"


msbelle - Aug 22, 2012 6:10:45 am PDT #19017 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

clearly then I really am getting sick and need to be home.

just compared the school calendar to the work holiday calendar and submitted for a couple of days in Nov and Dec to cover some of the gap.

I think I need to reach out to a couple of other parents and see if we can swap child-watching for some of the school closed days, otherwise I will run out of vacation.


Steph L. - Aug 22, 2012 6:13:30 am PDT #19018 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

So men who are trying to explain why they explain things are being dismissed as part of the problem?

I don't think the problem is just explaining, in a general sense of "If you light the grill that way, it will explode."

I thought mansplaining was when men tried to explain women's own lived experiences to them (the women, that is). Not just "You aren't grilling the steak right; let me show you." (Although that could be annoying, sure.) But more, "You think rape is such a big problem? Try living with the constant threat of being falsely accused of rape just hanging over your head! You don't even KNOW how hard that is!!1!"

Or am I misunderstanding mansplaining?


Jesse - Aug 22, 2012 6:15:40 am PDT #19019 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

And, "You aren't grilling the steak right; let me show you," when said to a professional grill cook. Say.


Consuela - Aug 22, 2012 6:16:33 am PDT #19020 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

'suela, out of curiosity, does your father have medical power of attorney for your mom or do you or your sister?

It goes to my dad first, then my brother the doctor (if he's available), then my sister and I. So, yeah.

So men who are trying to explain why they explain things are being dismissed as part of the problem? How are they supposed to respond to these kinds of things then? Obediently say "Yes, dear, you are, of course, right"?

I think you may not be getting what "mansplaining" is. It's when a woman describes her own experience or expertise and a man explains it to her, entirely negating, ignoring, and talking over her. It's as if I met an accountant at a party, told him what I did, and had him lecture me for an hour on, say, federal environmental policy.

That's mansplaining. It's particularly offensive when exercised on women talking about sexism. Or, for instance, rape.


billytea - Aug 22, 2012 6:16:36 am PDT #19021 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Or am I misunderstanding mansplaining?

Hopefully some guy will be able to lay it out for you, Steph.


brenda m - Aug 22, 2012 6:17:36 am PDT #19022 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

No, although it's often more subtle than that.

"Catcalling on the street is not that big a deal - it doesn't happen that often, and anyway you should be flattered, not threatened."