Giles: Stop that, you two. Riley: He started it... Xander: He called me a bad name! I think it was bad; it might have been Latin.

'Selfless'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


billytea - Aug 02, 2012 4:43:24 am PDT #16541 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Apparently the NZ eventing team got arrested for drinking in a non-drinking area.

My scandal of choice at the Olympics so far has been the badminton: [link]


sumi - Aug 02, 2012 4:48:03 am PDT #16542 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Nice of badminton to set up their tournament so that it pays to lose in the early rounds.


§ ita § - Aug 02, 2012 4:56:36 am PDT #16543 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Billytea, are you telling me that my interpretation is unconvincing, or wrong, or what? I'm not trying to sway you--I'm just describing the truth. You don't have to buy into it--that's merely what the expression means. Your acceptance won't make it any more true, just like your rejection doesn't make it any more false. That's simply what the expression has always meant. And the "thing" expression is an eggcorn, and it doesn't matter how long the posts in defense of "thing" get--still eggcorn, and "think" still original and meaning what I said.

I'm not looking for converts--I mean it when I say I'm confused by why people would defiantly go with something they know is an error. If you want to retcon all sorts of meaning into the error and explain why you feel the original shouldn't have made sense...still a retcon.


msbelle - Aug 02, 2012 5:09:16 am PDT #16544 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

ok, also until this conversation, never heard the word eggcorn before.

We say it the way we do because it is the way we have always heard it said and it is an accepted (by most) way of saying the phrase and it has been in use more prolifically then the original phrase. It makes sense to us.

I say "under God" in the pledge of allegiance too. It's not original to the pledge. It does change the meaning of it. I don't actually like it in there, BUT, it is how I learned it, how it sounds right to my brain and how I continue to say it.


billytea - Aug 02, 2012 5:32:24 am PDT #16545 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Billytea, are you telling me tat my interpretation is unconvincing, or wrong, or what?

Unconvincing, I suppose. I've never come across the expression before, so maybe it's used in an idiomatic fashion; but the meaning you presented doesn't seem to be in line with the words used.

Your acceptance won't make it any more true, just like your rejection doesn't make it any more false.

True. My line of reasoning, however, may indicate whether it was true or false, independent of what you or I thought it meant.

To further the issue, Vortex stated that the earliest usage was:

"Conroy lives in Troy and thinks he is a coming fighter. This gentleman has another think coming. It is probable that McCoy will next meet Joe Choynski."

My reading of this statement is that it wasn't even addressed to Conroy. I don't see how it can be read as saying "Think again"; I do see how it can mean "You're about to find out how wrong you are" (or more precisely, "[Conroy] is about to find out how wrong [he] is". When he fights Choynski, I take it.)

And the "thing" expression is an eggcorn, and it doesn't matter how long the posts in defense of "thing" get--still eggcorn, and "think" still original and meaning what I said.

I have numbered... stuff!

1. What's an eggcorn?
2. In this thread, near as I can tell, your use of the phrase was simply to seek confirmation that other people used "think" rather than "thing". Is there a use elsewhere that provides context to "meaning what I said"?
3. As you'll recall, my position on the matter is that "you've got another thing coming" makes perfect sense in any case. I am not saying there is a single phrase, and it has to be either "think" or "thing". I'm saying that regardless of whether people somewhere use "you've got another think coming", "you've got another thing coming" is a grammatically correct and usable phrase in its own right. And since it doesn't have to start with "You think that...", and I don't recall ever hearing it in that context, I don't see them as being in exact equivalence. (IOW, FLYING SQUIRREL SUPREMACIST!)
4. Lists are fun!

I can't really speak to the error/retcon stuff, as I regard it as neither. (Even if there had to be One True Phrase, given even "thing" has been around for almost a century, I feel the statute of limitations has passed on demanding modern communication find the original more congenial.)


Amy - Aug 02, 2012 5:35:30 am PDT #16546 of 30001
Because books.

I've never heard of an eggcorn before, either, and my head keeps trying to make it an egg cream.


Theodosia - Aug 02, 2012 5:39:06 am PDT #16547 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I must say, I rather like Think as a noun and will work it into casual conversation ASAP.


-t - Aug 02, 2012 5:39:20 am PDT #16548 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Ooh, egg cream. I have the ingredients for one of those! Hello, breakfast.


Jesse - Aug 02, 2012 5:54:05 am PDT #16549 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Eggcorn is a fake/wrong etymology (?) for acorn, so became what they call it when people talk themselves into a reasonable-sounding but wrong explanation for a word.


billytea - Aug 02, 2012 5:58:21 am PDT #16550 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Eggcorn is a fake/wrong etymology (?) for acorn, so became what they call it when people talk themselves into a reasonable-sounding but wrong explanation for a word.

Oh, ok! Like imagining Hendrix to be singing "Excuse me while I kiss this guy." (My favourite misheard song lyric is "There ain't no girl like the One-Eyed Gott.")