Zoe: Yeah? Thought you'd get land crazy that long in port. Wash: Probably, but I've been sane a long while now, and change is good.

'Shindig'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Amy - Jul 05, 2012 11:07:15 am PDT #12880 of 30001
Because books.

Because minorities and women have a long history of being silenced and dismissed?

I thought ita was questioning it because they're only criticizing her age, not her race or her sex.


le nubian - Jul 05, 2012 11:12:01 am PDT #12881 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

well, they are her sex "come back when you get your period" is pretty sexist.


msbelle - Jul 05, 2012 11:12:44 am PDT #12882 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

My guess is that anyone calling it a rqacist or sexist attack is ASSUMING the attacker would not send the same tweet to an equivilent pre-teen "star" who is either white or male or both. Quite an assumption to make.


§ ita § - Jul 05, 2012 11:14:24 am PDT #12883 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You can tell a black person to shut up and it not be racist. This I firmly stand by.

Just like you can tell a woman to shut up without being sexist.

Sometimes you're actually talking to people, not at them.

Hey, Jilli! Is this: [link] of any interest to you? It fucking rocks, that what it does.


Amy - Jul 05, 2012 11:16:47 am PDT #12884 of 30001
Because books.

"come back when you get your period" is pretty sexist

It is, but in this context the intent is to indicate when she's "reached maturity," which is age-related.

Don't get me wrong -- no one should be picking fights with eleven-year-olds on Twitter in the first place (and I'd venture that most eleven-year-olds shouldn't be tweeting anyway), but in this case they're calling out the offending tweet for the wrong reasons.


§ ita § - Jul 05, 2012 11:17:23 am PDT #12885 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

LeN, I don't think I'm being naive thinking that being gendered and an insult (it is both) doesn't mean it's sexist. Because if they'd been trashing Jaden, I'd imagine they'd have told him to come back when he can grow a beard. You absolutely can't know. Like msbelle said. I mean, Bieber gets too young shit tossed at him too. I don't know what the volume of each is, but it's not like being a rich white kid is exempting anyone from criticism.


erikaj - Jul 05, 2012 11:17:42 am PDT #12886 of 30001
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

I have to say I felt similar emotions when Avril Lavigne, all of nineteen or whatever, referred in an interview to her album as "Something I've been working for my whole life," and I kind of like Avril Lavigne, but still? For half a second I was thinking "Just die, Avril," which makes me glad I didn't tweet that.


Atropa - Jul 05, 2012 11:22:02 am PDT #12887 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Hey, Jilli! Is this: [link] of any interest to you? It fucking rocks, that what it does.

makes whimpering noises at the laptop

I wants it. Or a reproduction of it.


Connie Neil - Jul 05, 2012 11:25:49 am PDT #12888 of 30001
brillig

I wants it. Or a reproduction of it.

If you can't find reproductions, I'll arm wrestle you for it.


le nubian - Jul 05, 2012 11:31:18 am PDT #12889 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

The person did not hurl a neutral comment: "come back when you are adult" which would be firmly ageist and nothing else. The person hurled a phrase that to my eyes is pretty sexist. I get your points above, but by intertwining both things, I read it as sexist and ageist.

The racism part isn't apparent from that one remark.