The money was too good. I got stupid.

Jayne ,'Ariel'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


le nubian - Jun 21, 2012 5:56:57 pm PDT #10747 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Oh Dana. I'm sorry.


Zenkitty - Jun 21, 2012 6:06:27 pm PDT #10748 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Dana, I'm so sorry. That's just adding injury to insult.

That makes three developers in the past couple years that would rather say "yes" than work out if "yes" means they're agreeing with me. It's really kind of creepy, but I wonder if it's an ESL defense mechanism where they're behind in the translation and are trying to buy time or something.

I've worked with a couple ESL people who would always say "yes" no matter what. Apparently it would be impolite to say "no"? I'm working with a conference-issue editor right now who's been politely not saying no for four weeks, and finally I've realize that he simply has no intention of providing the thing I've been asking him for. In retrospect, it's kind of impressive how he's managed to never just tell me he's not going to do it.


§ ita § - Jun 21, 2012 6:13:04 pm PDT #10749 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can't decide which drives me more batshit--the constant yes, or the yawning silence.

But, man, I really miss the developer who just told me no on everything and that he didn't like me and that I ruined his work day. We got along fabulously. But...he's already in India, and he's leaving the company proper at the end of the month.

I really depend on chemistry. More than I should, maybe, but when I can pull it off, I really pull it off. We got some shit accomplished.

Current developers? I don't think they care about me enough to go the extra mile at my behest.


Kat - Jun 21, 2012 6:44:42 pm PDT #10750 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

All of this angsting about accomplishments reminds me... did anyone hear Fresh Air today? Ann Marie Slaughter discussed her article about how women can't have it all that's coming in next months Atlantic. [link]

So, the thing is, the woman just comes across as incredibly privileged and entitled. YES, living away from home 5 days a week is much harder than living at home and working and missing your kids. But the fact that you could leave your high stress, high hour State job to go back to be a tenured professor at Princeton, where it is easier to balance your life with your family... sigh. Cry me a fucking river.

I can't even finish packing my fucking house or getting the internet to work at the new one.


shrift - Jun 21, 2012 6:44:50 pm PDT #10751 of 30001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

The only Oxbridge nonsense I know I learned from Stephen Fry and watching Lewis.


SuziQ - Jun 21, 2012 7:11:09 pm PDT #10752 of 30001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

I used to tell a guy I worked with "no" all the time. The I'd ask him what end result he wanted and would give him that. He finally learned to trust that I'd ask the right questions and do the right things to get him what he wanted. I met his wife once and she LOVED that I would let him tell me what to do.


§ ita § - Jun 21, 2012 7:24:57 pm PDT #10753 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Dammit, one of the guys I work well with (manages the team that's my primary business user) was explaining some management tactic to me--it involved quadrants of motivation and ability, and indicated what techniques you use when you're dealing with someone that was, say, highly motivated but low on capability, or both highly capable and highly motivated, etc. And it made me wonder--is that why we work so well together? Are you playing me, motherfucker?

But, hey, results! So he can keep doing it. I wish more people would, all told.


smonster - Jun 21, 2012 7:28:15 pm PDT #10754 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Can one use those techniques on one's self? Because I *live* in the high capability, low motivation quadrant.

Because I know you were on tenterhooks - I have not heard back from Mr. Ar-TEEST "pop culture is commercial and superficial" Dude.


Burrell - Jun 21, 2012 7:43:26 pm PDT #10755 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Oh Dana, I'm so sorry.

That's just adding injury to insult.

Not to mention the further insult of having to choose between work and family. Gah!

article about how women can't have it all

I want to read that but I am worried that it will just make me angry. hrm.


Cass - Jun 21, 2012 8:23:02 pm PDT #10756 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

And it made me wonder--is that why we work so well together? Are you playing me, motherfucker?

He probably is but you can just think of it as him acting in a situationally appropriate and effective manner.