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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Nov 15, 2011 1:31:58 pm PST #6893 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I would say that current usage supports "the data is augmented" but if you're writing for a technical and pedantic audience you can get away with "the data are augmented". Who's it for?


Ginger - Nov 15, 2011 1:35:44 pm PST #6894 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

New York Times style:

data is acceptable as a singular term for information: The data was persuasive. In its traditional sense, meaning a collection of facts and figures, the noun can still be plural: They tabulate the data, which arrive from bookstores nationwide. (In this sense, the singular is datum, a word both stilted and deservedly obscure.)

AP Style prefers using data as plural, but says it can be treated as a collective noun. Reuters style says singular.

This would be a lot simpler if American English treated collective nouns as plural, like British English.


Steph L. - Nov 15, 2011 1:50:53 pm PST #6895 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

The word "data" is plural for "datum," as PC said.

I know it gets used as a singular all the time, but that's not correct. It drives me batshit INSANE. But if you're writing for a non-technical, non-scientific audience, the plural will sound weird to them.

So -- depends on your readership.


Jesse - Nov 15, 2011 1:55:59 pm PST #6896 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Data is the plural of datum in Latin. We are not speaking Latin. All kinds of Latin plurals are singular in English. OK, agenda is the only one that comes immediately to mind, but there's one, anyway.


Allyson - Nov 15, 2011 1:57:18 pm PST #6897 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

It's a science paper, which will be read by a mixed audience of scientists and laypersons.


Steph L. - Nov 15, 2011 1:59:05 pm PST #6898 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Data is the plural of datum in Latin. We are not speaking Latin.

I don't think that reasoning will fly with the AMA Style Guide.

Like I said, depends on the audience.


Steph L. - Nov 15, 2011 1:59:20 pm PST #6899 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

It's a science paper, which will be read by a mixed audience of scientists and laypersons.

I'd make it plural, then. Even if it sounds weird to you.


Jesse - Nov 15, 2011 1:59:32 pm PST #6900 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Like I said, depends on the audience.

Absolutely.


flea - Nov 15, 2011 2:04:45 pm PST #6901 of 30001
information libertarian

Can I talk about my cray cray new boss? She told me, in the middle of a meeting about moving the PA3000s, that she's in the process of getting a divorce from her husband of 42 years. She doesn't eat; she eats one "food bar" (her phrase) during the day. We have sit-down meetings about things like toner, which I can totally handle looking in the closet to see if there is toner, you know? Even on day 2. She's a nice woman, but she needs to CALM DOWN.


DavidS - Nov 15, 2011 2:08:15 pm PST #6902 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

We have sit-down meetings about things like toner, which I can totally handle looking in the closet to see if there is toner, you know?

OMG how can you be so calm and reasonable about toner?!?! What if you fucking ran out? Huh?! No printing, that's what! Then you'd be in a world of trouble. You better get your toner priorities straight, lady! You have to get on top of this toner issue immediately with actionable dates.