Joyce: Dawn, you be good. Xander: We will. Just gonna play with some matches, run with scissors, take candy from some guy, I don't know his name.

'Beneath You'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Nov 14, 2011 7:51:02 am PST #6500 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Here's an interesting interview with the author of that Single Women Atlantic article: [link]


Consuela - Nov 14, 2011 7:54:01 am PST #6501 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I'm not sure what else. I mean, no one cares when there's a march on Washington. At least not the media, anyway.

Daily marches. Letter brigades. Phone calls. Pizza deliveries. Balloons. Boycotts. Each day block the entrance to a different bank.

The point of the projects originally was economic injustice; but the camps have become about the camps themselves, so far as I can tell. They're losing the middle ground of citizens who won't or wouldn't participate in the occupation, but have sympathy for concerns about the economy. The more the narrative becomes about the occupiers themselves and the conditions inside the encampments, the less it is about the inequities in the financial system.


javachik - Nov 14, 2011 7:56:01 am PST #6502 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

What makes me sad about Occupy Oakland is that my city is already so completely in shambles that the OO thing is making it worse. It's a broke-ass city that already can't afford necessary police. And its very delicate downtown infrastructure (economy-wise) can't withstand the losses. So the effect of this protest against the 1% is ONLY fucking other 99%. Can't they go somewhere that actually targets the 1%?

I think in general, the OWS movement is necessary. But I don't agree with a lot that's happening around it.


Jessica - Nov 14, 2011 7:56:18 am PST #6503 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The point of the projects originally was economic injustice; but the camps have become about the camps themselves, so far as I can tell. They're losing the middle ground of citizens who won't or wouldn't participate in the occupation, but have sympathy for concerns about the economy. The more the narrative becomes about the occupiers themselves and the conditions inside the encampments, the less it is about the inequities in the financial system.

I'm seeing this too, and it's unfortunate.


javachik - Nov 14, 2011 7:57:20 am PST #6504 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Exactly, Connie. EXACTLY.


Amy - Nov 14, 2011 8:02:05 am PST #6505 of 30001
Because books.

the camps have become about the camps themselves, so far as I can tell. They're losing the middle ground of citizens who won't or wouldn't participate in the occupation, but have sympathy for concerns about the economy.

This is my feeling on it, too.


Jessica - Nov 14, 2011 8:09:11 am PST #6506 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

One little protest that was making the Facebook rounds a couple of weeks back was for people to return those prepaid envelopes that come with credit card offers - since the banks only pay postage on those once they're mailed, returning them empty would (a) give the post office some desperately needed revenue and (b) flood the banks with junk mail and postage fees. I thought it was nicely poetic.


Theodosia - Nov 14, 2011 8:19:20 am PST #6507 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I actually blame the police/people ordering the police more -- because if you don't make it a capital-D Drama the press loses interest and in a couple months the protesters move on to other places.

In the northern cities, the advent of winter is virtually certain to reduce the size of the occupation to token size.

It's not for nothing that the Civil Rights city campaign that was least "effective" was the one where the sheriff went to the library, read up on non-violence and countered all the protests with great restraint. Not much media fodder if you're not breaking ribs, hitting people with rubber bullets et cetera. The protest doesn't turn into a riot, there was next to no property damage, hospital emergency rooms don't fill up, you don't have to fill out a whole lot of paperwork, run out of fingerprint ink, and so on.


ChiKat - Nov 14, 2011 8:20:52 am PST #6508 of 30001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Thanks for all the birthday wishes, y'all!


Theodosia - Nov 14, 2011 8:22:57 am PST #6509 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Seriously, what the police should be doing in some of these Occupy places is going around giving the protesters tickets for camping on public property, littering, walking on the grass. With great but firm politeness.