Bar maid! Bring me stronger ale! And some plump, succulent babies to eat!

Olaf the Troll ,'Showtime'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


JZ - Oct 06, 2011 12:00:45 pm PDT #626 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Re some of the earlier conversation... is the FB person also someone I know? Because I'm starting to think it is.


Maria - Oct 06, 2011 12:01:59 pm PDT #627 of 30001
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

JZ (and everyone else), thanks for the well wishes. I will continue to hoarde them, hoping it eases some of his burden.

And yes, it's someone you know very well.


hippocampus - Oct 06, 2011 12:02:52 pm PDT #628 of 30001
not your mom's socks.

Perkins, are you around? Is your profile addy good?


meara - Oct 06, 2011 12:15:17 pm PDT #629 of 30001

ita, you could take the money and buy a used car, rather than fixing yours. Probably easier.


SailAweigh - Oct 06, 2011 12:17:41 pm PDT #630 of 30001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I'll add some more well-wishes in the hopes that the accumulating mass of ~ma breaks some kind of barrier between wishes and reality to do our bidding, Maria. For you and for everyone that is having such craptastical misfortune.


flea - Oct 06, 2011 12:26:50 pm PDT #631 of 30001
information libertarian

Maybe you could even find a used 2000 BMW whatever it is. The search could easily be offloaded to some underemployed Buffista (such as me, come Monday and the children are in school.)


JZ - Oct 06, 2011 12:32:05 pm PDT #632 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Ugh. I was afraid it was the same person. Who has many, many issues, but also many good points, and who is basically one of my employers. I'm well aware of the issues and I do a fair amount of work to manage the personal and professional relationships without getting slammed by the issues, but still... it's a boss, and a person with whom I have built a careful but solid F2F relationship.

I'm not advocating for the person or wanting anyone else to change their minds; just... would it be possible to just keep it back-channel? I feel really uncomfortable and trapped; I'm abundantly aware of the person's big issues, but also abundantly aware that this is someone I have to work with almost daily, and someone who's giving me professional opportunities in a field I care about passionately, and someone with whom I've negotiated a decent set of intimacies and boundaries that work as a friendship. And so I feel like an asshole for working with this person who pisses other Buffistas off, and an asshole for not saying anything, and an asshole for saying anything. And I love Natter and the Natterers, even if I'm stuck lurking most of the time because the day job is eating my brain, and I hate feeling like not just a lurker but an asshole lurker.

If all of this is totally inappropriate for me to say and I need to suck it up and own my assholeitude, just say so. I just... I feel all idgy and weirdly dirty.


Steph L. - Oct 06, 2011 12:37:19 pm PDT #633 of 30001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

No, JZ, I'm glad you said something. I'm the one who started the comments, and I really shouldn't have.

I'm sorry that I said things that create an uncomfortable atmosphere for you. I really didn't think before I posted.

t edit And there's nothing assholish about you. Not even a little bit.


JZ - Oct 06, 2011 12:45:06 pm PDT #634 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I am a total asshole, frequently. How many people do I owe packages and betas and letters and thank you notes to? People who have been 1000% amazing to me? MANY.


Kate P. - Oct 06, 2011 12:51:20 pm PDT #635 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

JZ, I'm glad you said something too. I'm hardly the biggest fan of the person in question, but I do feel uncomfortable that we're basically trash-talking her where she could easily read it (though I understand she doesn't read the board anymore), and where people who know her and like her can read it too. She may not participate on the board anymore, but in my mind she's still one of our own, and I don't like seeing any Buffista dissed on the board.