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askye - Nov 08, 2011 2:58:24 pm PST #5482 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

I'm reading more about this. And it's just so...heartbreaking and maddening. I think Paterno should resign. He was told about this, he knew about it, and he just passed the buck like everyone else.

I think everyone who passed the buck should resign/be fired.

If I'm understanding this correctly (and someone please tell me if I've got it wrong) a grad student told school officials he saw Sandusky raping a 10 year old in the locker rooms. And the officials just told Sandusky "don't bring kids on campus anymore" and that was it.

Paterno was made aware of the fact that Sandusky was molesting and raping children and he told someone but didn't fire Sandusky or remove him for his position or anything else.

Also it wasn't just the grad student who witnessed abuse, there was a janitor who witnessed Sandusky raping another boy orally (I mean, he was seen performing oral sex , I don't know how to word it right). Did that janitor report anything?


Hil R. - Nov 08, 2011 3:01:54 pm PST #5483 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

If I'm understanding this correctly (and someone please tell me if I've got it wrong) a grad student told school officials he saw Sandusky raping a 10 year old in the locker rooms. And the officials just told Sandusky "don't bring kids on campus anymore" and that was it.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Also it wasn't just the grad student who witnessed abuse, there was a janitor who witnessed Sandusky raping another boy orally (I mean, he was seen performing oral sex , I don't know how to word it right). Did that janitor report anything?

He didn't. The articles I read said that he thought he'd be fired if he said anything, and that he has dementia now so he can't really be questioned about anything.


msbelle - Nov 08, 2011 3:04:37 pm PST #5484 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Many many people should lose their jobs and many of those same should do jail time. I just can't even.

Heavy D. Man. I loved him. Him guest starring on Different World, good times. Peaceful Journey is a really great album and holds up well.


askye - Nov 08, 2011 3:07:12 pm PST #5485 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

Maybe he would have been fired in their effort to not deal with this whole thing.

I also saw the statement that Paterno fulfilled his "legal obligation", which maybe he did. But he didn't fulfill his moral obligation.


Hil R. - Nov 08, 2011 3:07:32 pm PST #5486 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I just looked up what happened with the janitor. The janitor reported what he saw to some other custodial staff and to his supervisor. The supervisor told him that he should report it to someone else (not clear who), but he never did, and neither did anyone else.


Hil R. - Nov 08, 2011 3:13:08 pm PST #5487 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

A timeline of the case is here: [link]

(The district attorney mentioned in the 1998 entry, who decided not to file criminal charges, went missing in 2005 and was declared dead this past summer.)


Amy - Nov 08, 2011 3:14:42 pm PST #5488 of 30001
Because books.

(The district attorney mentioned in the 1998 entry, who decided not to file criminal charges, went missing in 2005 and was declared dead this past summer.)

That's sort of creepy.


sumi - Nov 08, 2011 3:19:27 pm PST #5489 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Yeah, a bizarre footnote to a very disgusting story.

So - all the adults from the Grad Student on up should have called the cops and didn't?


brenda m - Nov 08, 2011 3:20:43 pm PST #5490 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I also saw the statement that Paterno fulfilled his "legal obligation", which maybe he did. But he didn't fulfill his moral obligation.

One thing that hasn't been clear (to me) is if any of the others are mandatory reporters.

Pattern and The grad student at least came clean to the grand jury. The others did not, which is one of the main reasons for the indictments.


Hil R. - Nov 08, 2011 3:24:10 pm PST #5491 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

One thing that hasn't been clear (to me) is if any of the others are mandatory reporters.

I think that Curley and Schultz, the two administrators who've been charged with failure to report and perjury, were.