Mercy is the mark of a great man. Guess I'm just a good man. Well, I'm all right.

Mal ,'Shindig'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Liese S. - Mar 30, 2012 7:57:53 am PDT #28812 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

The study is designed to test whether staff members at tertiary institutions across Jamaica engage in heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual relationships with students.

So...how far would the study have gone? Would the student have slept with your sister had she been willing? No way there's anything near ethics with the way it's set up.


tommyrot - Mar 30, 2012 8:00:07 am PDT #28813 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The study is designed to test whether staff members at tertiary institutions across Jamaica engage in heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual relationships with students.

Oh dear.

So...how far would the study have gone? Would the student have slept with your sister had she been willing? No way there's anything near ethics with the way it's set up.

what Liese said.


Steph L. - Mar 30, 2012 8:01:56 am PDT #28814 of 30001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

This email serves to inform you that you were part of a study undertaken by a group of MSc. Students at the Northern Caribbean University. The study is designed to test whether staff members at tertiary institutions across Jamaica engage in heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual relationships with students.

Uh, no. You don't inform "participants" after the fact that they WERE part of a study. That's not actually a study. That's punking at best.

BULLSHIT.


meara - Mar 30, 2012 8:01:56 am PDT #28815 of 30001

OH HELL NO. I have a VERY hard time believing any IRB/Ethics Committee would approve that, especially since in many jurisdictions, taping someone's conversation without their knowledge/agreement is ILLEGAL.

However, it's being discussed here now, so even if no one takes it on, that's one more discussion than before they suggested it.

Well, there you go. Now buffistas have thought about it, and may keep an eye out and notice more where there are not gender neutral bathrooms, and where there are a "Mens" and "Women's" that could be but aren't, etc etc. Consciousness raised. Provocative and it worked, even if you didn't do the actual exercise, hmm?


Strix - Mar 30, 2012 8:02:06 am PDT #28816 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Hee. The approvers of that study do not realize with whom they are screwing. Er. you know what I mean.

Keep us apprised.


meara - Mar 30, 2012 8:05:23 am PDT #28817 of 30001

staff members at tertiary institutions across Jamaica engage in heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual relationships with students.

Also...how do you engage in a "bisexual relationship"?? I mean, sure, I know people who label their relationships "queer" because neither of them feels they relate on the gender spectrum as man/woman or man/man or woman/woman. But in the terms of this study? Unless you suddenly had TWO students going for you, one male and one female and you slept with BOTH of them...


§ ita § - Mar 30, 2012 8:06:36 am PDT #28818 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Provocative and it worked, even if you didn't do the actual exercise, hmm?

Like I said, this in no way prevents anyone else (or indeed the same people) from doing anything else at the same time or subsequently. I'd just imagine there are more efficient ways to get better ROI, and that was pretty much the only thing I've been saying the whole time.

I'm really bad at English these days.

The approvers of that study do not realize with whom they are screwing. Er. you know what I mean.

Oh, yeah. I'd wish her the best of luck with her shit-raising efforts, but she doesn't need it.


meara - Mar 30, 2012 8:07:03 am PDT #28819 of 30001

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THat's the Northern Caribbean University policy and procedures on grants and research, and mentions the use of the IRB. I would directly call the head of the IRB and start bitching, because that's unconscionable. And if they DIDN"T approve the student and their professor should be immediately sanctioned.


Ginger - Mar 30, 2012 8:10:38 am PDT #28820 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I can't fathom the brain of someone who thought sexually harassing someone for a "study" could be appropriate.


tommyrot - Mar 30, 2012 8:11:40 am PDT #28821 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

ita !, what does your sister teach? Do you know how they selected who they were going to "study"?