I am so fucking wound up. Coming into the office today makes me want to cry again! And all I came into was all of the stuff I've been waiting for all week! Christ. I think tonight will be the better part of a bottle of wine, and tomorrow I'll only leave the house if I'm seeing the Hunger Games.
I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.
Willow ,'Storyteller'
Natter 69: Practically names itself.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Jesse - Mar 23, 2012 4:12:08 am PDT #27826 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Jessica - Mar 23, 2012 4:16:46 am PDT #27827 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
A propos of the feminism talk upthread, last night i actually heard a 23-year old announce "I'm not a feminist, but..."
I know I said that sort of thing when I was 23. Mostly it came from a high school environment where the administration of my all-girls school assumed that the best way to create strong young women who would be the world's future leaders was to pretend like feminism had already won, and therefore it wasn't worth educating us about it. The more I think back on that school the more I resent my choice (ha) to go there. Academically it was excellent, in almost every other way it was a total disaster.
Which sort of brings me to my main issue with so-called "choice feminism" - it's an ideal, not a reality. We live in a world where almost all choices are rewarded (or punished) differently based on gender, race, class, etc. A stay-at-home-mom has made different choices than a stay-at-home-dad. A woman in a three piece suit has made different choices than a man in the same outfit. It's disingenuous to assume that we like the things we like outside of any influence from the social consequences of our choices. The ability to not give a fuck about what people think is also a privilege.
tl;dr: What Flea Said.
Kat - Mar 23, 2012 4:29:10 am PDT #27828 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
The ability to not give a fuck about what people think is also a privilege.
hmm... I don't know. I'd also say it's a choice. I'm not super invested in what people say about me one way or another and it's not an issue of privilege. It's an issue of blind ignorance and not even really thinking about it. I mean, I should probably give a fuck about what people think, but then I forget to and I do what I do.
hippocampus - Mar 23, 2012 4:49:20 am PDT #27829 of 30001
not your mom's socks.
Jessica - did you post the link to the personhood for women petition? I can't remember where and I can't find the link now.
msbelle, I'm so sorry.
happy birthday Raq! (insent)
Jessica - Mar 23, 2012 4:59:21 am PDT #27830 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Jessica - did you post the link to the personhood for women petition? I can't remember where and I can't find the link now.
Yeah, I posted on FB - here it is
§ ita § - Mar 23, 2012 4:59:21 am PDT #27831 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The ability to not give a fuck about what people think is also a privilege.
I disagree. Or at least I think it's not a rare privilege. I think the ability to actually have all the choices in front of you as equal is a privilege, but the "people think" part...I'm not sure why this is perceived as such as material barrier in 2012.
The issue is that most families can't afford the choice of stay at home mom, because most home need as many incomes as they can get. That's what makes it a false choice. However, just because it's unsustainable for many people--well, I don't think that's a good enough reason to disparage it. And I also disagree that it's any longer the easier choice to make. I think it's much maligned these days, among many mothers' peers. Your parents might like it (but as your parents approach my age--the chances of that decrease too), but do your friends?
hippocampus - Mar 23, 2012 5:03:49 am PDT #27832 of 30001
not your mom's socks.
Thanks, Jessica!
Lee - Mar 23, 2012 5:06:00 am PDT #27833 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
Happy Birthday Raq!
Happy Birthday Kathy!
OMG it's finally Friday. Such a long week. Yesterday somebody emailed me to ask about something they had asked me to do earlier, and my mental response was DUDE, I sent you that over a week ago. I went into my sent email to retrieve it, and it turns out it was from this Tuesday night.
In other words, I approve of Jesse's weekend plans wholeheartedly.
Jessica - Mar 23, 2012 5:09:32 am PDT #27834 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
The issue is that most families can't afford the choice of stay at home mom, because most home need as many incomes as they can get. That's what makes it a false choice.
If your definition of choice excludes the ones with material as well as social consequences, what are we left with, exactly? This is a No True Scotsman argument.
§ ita § - Mar 23, 2012 5:14:13 am PDT #27835 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
If your definition of choice excludes
Who's excluding choices? I argue for its non-disparagement in the part of my post you do not quote. I'm just saying that "some people don't like it" isn't a material barrier. "Some people can't make it" is a more material barrier but that's not a good enough reason to not have the choice.
Have I been vague about that? I thought I'd been consistently pro-choices in all my posts.