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'Just Rewards (2)'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


hippocampus - Mar 23, 2012 4:49:20 am PDT #27829 of 30001
not your mom's socks.

Jessica - did you post the link to the personhood for women petition? I can't remember where and I can't find the link now.

msbelle, I'm so sorry.

happy birthday Raq! (insent)


Jessica - Mar 23, 2012 4:59:21 am PDT #27830 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Jessica - did you post the link to the personhood for women petition? I can't remember where and I can't find the link now.

Yeah, I posted on FB - here it is

[link]


§ ita § - Mar 23, 2012 4:59:21 am PDT #27831 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The ability to not give a fuck about what people think is also a privilege.

I disagree. Or at least I think it's not a rare privilege. I think the ability to actually have all the choices in front of you as equal is a privilege, but the "people think" part...I'm not sure why this is perceived as such as material barrier in 2012.

The issue is that most families can't afford the choice of stay at home mom, because most home need as many incomes as they can get. That's what makes it a false choice. However, just because it's unsustainable for many people--well, I don't think that's a good enough reason to disparage it. And I also disagree that it's any longer the easier choice to make. I think it's much maligned these days, among many mothers' peers. Your parents might like it (but as your parents approach my age--the chances of that decrease too), but do your friends?


hippocampus - Mar 23, 2012 5:03:49 am PDT #27832 of 30001
not your mom's socks.

Thanks, Jessica!


Lee - Mar 23, 2012 5:06:00 am PDT #27833 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Happy Birthday Raq!

Happy Birthday Kathy!

OMG it's finally Friday. Such a long week. Yesterday somebody emailed me to ask about something they had asked me to do earlier, and my mental response was DUDE, I sent you that over a week ago. I went into my sent email to retrieve it, and it turns out it was from this Tuesday night.

In other words, I approve of Jesse's weekend plans wholeheartedly.


Jessica - Mar 23, 2012 5:09:32 am PDT #27834 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The issue is that most families can't afford the choice of stay at home mom, because most home need as many incomes as they can get. That's what makes it a false choice.

If your definition of choice excludes the ones with material as well as social consequences, what are we left with, exactly? This is a No True Scotsman argument.


§ ita § - Mar 23, 2012 5:14:13 am PDT #27835 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If your definition of choice excludes

Who's excluding choices? I argue for its non-disparagement in the part of my post you do not quote. I'm just saying that "some people don't like it" isn't a material barrier. "Some people can't make it" is a more material barrier but that's not a good enough reason to not have the choice.

Have I been vague about that? I thought I'd been consistently pro-choices in all my posts.


Jessica - Mar 23, 2012 5:37:52 am PDT #27836 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Please point to the part in my post where I said choices should be taken away.

Choice feminism, in my experience, argues that since feminism is about having more choices, all choices are equal and nobody's choices can ever be examined in a broad social context. The alternative isn't taking anyone's high heels away, it's having a conversation about the face that the choice to wear high heels exists in a more complicated social and historical context than "because I like them."


§ ita § - Mar 23, 2012 5:43:37 am PDT #27837 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Please point to the part in my post where I said choices should be taken away

Please point to the part in my post where I say in your posts that you said choices should be taken away....we could go on forever, since apparently neither of us are reading each other's posts.

The alternative isn't taking anyone's high heels away, it's having a conversation about the face that the choice to wear high heels exists in a more complicated social and historical context than "because I like them."

I disagree with the idea that there's just one alternative (just as there isn't one movement, there are also more than two), because I can point to others, to people who simply say that "high heels are anti-feminist". They're in the post I linked to yesterday. That is, in my experience, what choice feminism is a reaction to. The people (not named Jessica, which I *never* said) who exclude some things from a feminist way of living.

Of course your motivation for wearing heels bears examination. But that doesn't mean that every woman who says "But I do like them" is always dealing with something more darkly nefarious than that, and there are noisy contingents who claim just that. And the proposition that some anti-choice feminists make that "We must only wear flats" should go unexamined but rewarded is incredibly facile, and I rage against them too.


msbelle - Mar 23, 2012 5:58:16 am PDT #27838 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

skipping, just cause.

nice but needy director I support walked the length of the building to see if my boss was in and tell me there were several things in his out box that I had failed to pick up. dude! either call for that shit or bring it with you when you walk down.

my goals for today are to not cry to work, get my timesheet in on time, pick mac up on time, and no fights at home.

weekend plans are Sat. morning soccer game, dropping mac off for a playdate, losing my shit, and possibly hanging pictures. Sun. teach another lesson for lent, have boys over for a playdate and maybe work in the yard.