Two steaming cups of chocolate goodness. Courtesy of whomever I swiped it from out of the cupboard.

Ben ,'The Killer In Me'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


askye - Mar 22, 2012 12:49:55 pm PDT #27722 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

I took a women's history class and the textbook had a definition like "a feminist is a person who believes in and supports the social,ecomomic, and political equality of women."

It might have been just "a woman" but I'm prett sure it was person. And works toward in there after support.

My own definition of feminist is a person who believes in and suppprts equality for everyone. Because mainly I believe on equality and I don't think I could only be for some women .

Also the I'm not a feminist bit wpmen seem to buy into a very narrow view of femimist. It's hairy man hating women. Or you can't like make up/vintage clothes/doll collecting/whatever and be a feminist.


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2012 1:12:59 pm PDT #27723 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

One of the big divisions I see people bumping into in common feminist discussions is choice feminism. A visible number of people identifying themselves as feminists do not support the idea of choice so far as to 100% support women staying at home and raising children, or wearing heels and corsets, or doing other typically feminine things. If they make enough noise and make it seem like you can't do that and be feminist (which is a far cry from the unreality of the hairy-legged man-hating feminist, because these women I can actually spot in the wild quite frequently), I'm not surprised to see people separate themselves from the cause.


Typo Boy - Mar 22, 2012 1:21:47 pm PDT #27724 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I would say the number of feminist who don't support that are pretty small. I think a larger number of feminists would support that choice, but not confine it to women - that is they are also fine with men staying home and raising children or wearing heels and corsets, or doing whatever "typically feminine things" they choose.


Typo Boy - Mar 22, 2012 1:22:26 pm PDT #27725 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Which is not news to anyone on this list where men in corsets and heels are kind of a continuing theme.


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2012 1:24:21 pm PDT #27726 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I would say the number of feminist who don't support that are pretty small

But that's what the 80-20 rule is about. Trust me--any post that touches on a topic like that on Gawker or Jezebel, and they're out, making noise, and talking about how the legacy of the patriarchal oppression and bullshit bullshit bullshit. They're loud, and they can be overwhelming.


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2012 1:36:22 pm PDT #27727 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, hey. Jezebel just put up a choice feminist article: [link] responding to a "heels are anti-feminist" article in the Chicago Trib, apparently. I haven't had a chance to read it in detail yet. Thought it was funny and timely, though.


flea - Mar 22, 2012 1:38:19 pm PDT #27728 of 30001
information libertarian

As a currently hairy-legged (but not man-hating) woman, can I just say that I fucking hate the fact that I have to shave my legs to be considered "professionally dressed" even in a laid-back place like a library. Signed, still putting off the Great Spring Shave despite the fact that it's been 80 all week and I am running out of pants. Why can't we have the right to choose not to shave without being considered a freak?


Sheryl - Mar 22, 2012 1:44:00 pm PDT #27729 of 30001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Wish I could get away with not shaving my legs.Ok, I am wearing jeans or chinos most of the time, so nobody sees my legs but me and my husband most days, but I've been doing this since I was 12 so I'm used to it. (Also, pale skin and dark hair not a good combination on the legs, IMO.)


brenda m - Mar 22, 2012 1:58:37 pm PDT #27730 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

As a currently hairy-legged (but not man-hating) woman, can I just say that I fucking hate the fact that I have to shave my legs to be considered "professionally dressed" even in a laid-back place like a library. Signed, still putting off the Great Spring Shave despite the fact that it's been 80 all week and I am running out of pants.

I'm not hairy-legged! I shaved yesterday for the first time in months.

This is not to your point, but I'll take the somewhat occasional leg shaving over daily face shaving that most men endure. (Not that they have to. But the face grooming seems more onerous, generally speaking.


Atropa - Mar 22, 2012 2:00:06 pm PDT #27731 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I would say the number of feminist who don't support that are pretty small

I will say as someone who presents EXTREMELY femme, people get very surprised that I am a feminist, and I have had many, many other women tell me that I'm "too girly" to be a "real" feminist.