Do you see any goats around? No, because I sacrificed them.

Willow ,'Showtime'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Ginger - Mar 22, 2012 7:25:18 am PDT #27665 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

This [link] is a good example of the way Roy Krenkel worked. He would do sketch after sketch of the thing he was working on, and break it down into bits. One time, he was obsessed with wagon wheels, because he didn't like how the ones in something he was working on looked. He had piles of reference material of other artists' wagon wheels, and pages covered with wagons and wagon wheels. He did all these sketches really fast, but he did hundreds for any one drawing. (He was also notorious for being late.)


DavidS - Mar 22, 2012 7:26:36 am PDT #27666 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Here's the book, Imagine: How Creativity Works.

Lehrer was interviewed on NPR (how Cash and I heard about it) and he sounds so much like Rob Morrow when he was Dr. Fleischer on Northern Exposure it was ridiculous. And he was popping open a Diet Coke and swigging it during the entire interview.

Well, I presume it was a Diet Coke. He seemed like a Diet Coke guy.


JZ - Mar 22, 2012 7:27:35 am PDT #27667 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

There was also a lot about shutting off the impulse control part of your brain. The part that says, "Don't do that!" They did a lot of studies on improv comics and jazz musicians and discussed the notion of Getting Out Of Your Head (which is a specific warm up exercise that comics do at Second City).

One of Oliver Sacks's books had a chapter called "Witty Ticcy Ray" about a man with Tourette's who had a fairly ordinary day job but played in a jazz band on the weekends, and, after a few years of fiddling with his meds, decided to take weekends off -- his weekday self depended on the stability of unvarying routine, but his playing was freer, more swinging and more responsive to his bandmates' improvisations when he loosed the neuro tethers the meds put on him.


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2012 7:34:21 am PDT #27668 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Unrelated to my art plight: Does anyone here believe that men can't be feminists? Or is anyone here familiar enough with that position that they can explain it to me?


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2012 7:40:12 am PDT #27669 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

style in any medium derives from mastery

But what I'm saying is that expressing style in a medium is not the issue. Expressing style outside of medium is what flummoxes me. Expressing it in form is where I'm taken aback. Bill's obviously a master of the pen. That's not a question. But he also makes decisions about how to depict the human form that I can't make my own version of, because I look at people, and I'm doing my best to represent the proportions and relationships I see there.


DavidS - Mar 22, 2012 7:54:17 am PDT #27670 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Because tonight is the season finale of Archer and Sunday is the season premiere of Mad Men, I need to remind you all of the awesomeness which is Sterling Archer Draper Pryce.


Toddson - Mar 22, 2012 7:56:18 am PDT #27671 of 30001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

In re the Florida "Stand Your Ground" law - I read somewhere that since its passage, gun deaths in the state have tripled.

In re the hoodies - I ride the bus and fairly often I'll be on one with a bunch of teenagers. They're loud, they're jumping around, they're swearing, a lot of the time they'll be eating and drinking (you're not supposed to). I've seen letters to the paper, comments online, and so on calling kids like this thugs and worse. But ... they're kids. More energy than brains. They're annoying, but they're harmless. I hate the thought that they can be assumed to be up to no good just because.


Fred Pete - Mar 22, 2012 7:59:49 am PDT #27672 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.

A male view for ita !:

Different people mean different things by "feminist," so I'll start by giving my view, which is probably best expressed by the bumper sticker, "Feminism is the radical view that women are people." In other words, feminism means that being a man doesn't automatically give you special abilities or insight into how the world works. (Okay, we can pee standing up. It's convenient at times, but it really doesn't mean anything in the broader context of the world.)

Based on that standard, there is no reason that a man can't be a feminist. You don't have to be of a particular gender to recognize that one's gender does not determine personhood. As well as the right to be treated like a person with the same rights of common courtesy (for starters) that you expect for yourself.

At the same time, there are limits to our ability to truly understand someone unlike ourselves -- and in some way, everyone (except maybe an identical twin, and probably not even then) is unlike ourselves in some way. We may be able to create parallels to certain elements, but we can't truly understand the entire experience. For example, as a male, I can't truly understand what it's like to be pregnant and give birth. So if your definition of "feminist" requires a thorough understanding of what it's like to be a woman, then, no, a man probably can't be a feminist.


tommyrot - Mar 22, 2012 8:06:35 am PDT #27673 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I've heard that men can't be feminists, but I don't recall the argument for this.

I remember in college one woman told me it was impossible for men to know what is sexist, and another woman told me she was tired of men always asking her if something was sexist, as men are perfectly able to determine if something is sexist.

So I learned at a somewhat young age that feminism isn't monolithic.


§ ita § - Mar 22, 2012 8:06:57 am PDT #27674 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

if your definition of "feminist" requires a thorough understanding of what it's like to be a woman

Is there one, on the books, that does? I know there are formal definitions out there.