Spike: Heard what happened up top, offing your dad and all. Don't know if you know this, but, uh…I killed my mum. Actually, I'd already killed her, and then she tried to shag me, so I had to-- Wesley: Thank you. I'm…very comforted.

'Lineage'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Mar 18, 2012 1:20:47 pm PDT #27134 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

So as a Black woman, I have never had a White woman cut or style my hair.

I'm gonna ask again, I used to capitalize White and Black in terms of race, but was told not to, and I keep seeing it done more frequently. Is it a preference? It seems like race/color should be capitalized.

I watched Chris Rock's documentary on hair, and it was awesome in spots, and dripping with male privilege in others in a sort of, "why are women so silly to spend so much money and time on this thing I think is silly because I'm a guy and I am the arbiter of Shit To Be Taken Seriously" kind of way.

But it really hit home that hair is one of the most in-your-face ways of describing privilege when i'm trying to describe it to other white people. When i started to think about racism when I as a teenager, I ran across an article about privilege and the first paragraph concerned hair. Years later it also introduced me to the idea that a lot of feminist history was about white women's problems, and ignored issues facing black women.

Hair, as it turns out, can be a pretty sly way to segue into discussions of racism and feminism.


Allyson - Mar 18, 2012 1:36:00 pm PDT #27135 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think the question was (seriously paraphrasing): Are you reasonably sure that you can open a phonebook, pick a salon, and they will be able to cut your hair?

as a mark of privilege.


Scrappy - Mar 18, 2012 1:46:15 pm PDT #27136 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I fell down while walking the dogs on Friday (Chet is still walking like a crazy-ass puppy and crossed suddenly in front of me) and seem to have pulled a pec muscle. It hurts like a mofo, I gotta say. J is away for the week, and I am trying to figure out how to walk the two pups while he's gone. I think I am going to have to walk them separately, because I don't think I can handle them at the same time until this gets better. Feh.


Jessica - Mar 18, 2012 1:50:20 pm PDT #27137 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Are you reasonably sure that you can open a phonebook, pick a salon, and they will be able to cut your hair?

I'm pretty dang privileged, and my answer is still a resounding NO. Is there a Jewish-hair subclause?


Burrell - Mar 18, 2012 1:55:22 pm PDT #27138 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I miss Fanci-full conditioning rinse. They had the best color of pastel cotton candy pink!

I saw some Fanci-full the other day and had a total deja vu moment. Where was I? Oh it was an old costume/theatrical make up place. You know, the kind of place that carried Ben Nye make up and lots of wigs?


Burrell - Mar 18, 2012 1:56:30 pm PDT #27139 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Is there a Jewish-hair subclause?

Yes. See the above ref WRT the Jewfro.


le nubian - Mar 18, 2012 1:59:41 pm PDT #27140 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Allyson,

I think most style guides do not capitalize, but I always do. I am using White and Black like I would Asian American or African American, so if I capitalize those, then I see no reason to lower case White and Black.

I am not referring to a white car or a black pen, these are cultural, racialized groups that I never refer to as lower-case.

I'm not offended if people use them as lower-case, but I am hoping the capitalization catches on.


§ ita § - Mar 18, 2012 2:16:45 pm PDT #27141 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

if I capitalize those, then I see no reason to lower case White and Black.

See, I like to draw a distinction between nationalities (and ethnicities) and race, so if it refers to a country, I use caps. If it doesn't, I don't. The proper noun thing is just inherited. But I rarely say African or Asian American, and I wish I had a less regional (I swear, I though oriental was losing those connotations, when all that time it was losing/had lost the *humanity* instead) term for Asian, so it doesn't end up being the last one with geography and a capital letter.

So, len, I am your opponent to the bitter bitter end. LOWER CAPS FOR ALL.


Hil R. - Mar 18, 2012 2:40:36 pm PDT #27142 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'm pretty dang privileged, and my answer is still a resounding NO. Is there a Jewish-hair subclause?

This is my question.

Gah. I have a lot more to say about this. Whole paragraphs. Can't make words right now, though. Just finished Mockingjay.


Hil R. - Mar 18, 2012 2:44:57 pm PDT #27143 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Me and my mom (and my dad's arm), 1984 or so. (link removed.) "Good hair" in white privilege checklists annoys me, since it's something that's been such a source of tension and stress and everything within my white family.