Incidentally, bad as "stand your ground" statues are, they still are not on z's side. He was told not to confront and did so. "Not retreating" is one thing. Agressively seeking out confrontation is another, even under that law. Ta-Nehsi Coats has been all over this story (as an aggregator, not adding original reporting). This story includes some stuff dealing with the law. [link]
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Typo Boy - Mar 18, 2012 7:43:21 am PDT #9951 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
brenda m - Mar 18, 2012 7:44:40 am PDT #9952 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Why hasn't he been arrested?
Because based on current law, it's not at all clear he committed any crime. Which just shows the sickening direction we've allowed the state of law to take.
(Which is not at all to say that, were the complexions reversed, the i interpretation of whether or not a crime had been committed would not be different. We all know it would be.)
He was told not to confront and did so. "Not retreating" is one thing. Agressively seeking out confrontation is another, even under that law.
I'm not at all sure it will play out that way. But this is exactly where public pressure could in fact have some impact.
Typo Boy - Mar 18, 2012 7:48:02 am PDT #9953 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Not a lwayer, but the link above suggests that if it does not play out that way, it is abuse of police and prosecutorial discretin, and not valid law. Of course if the prosecutor is pressured into bringing a case they don't want there are all sorts of ways they can throw the case. So public pressure not only to bring the case, but to pursue it vigorously.
sj - Mar 18, 2012 7:53:23 am PDT #9954 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
I just can't get over he wasn't even brought in for questioning after the killing. It boggles my mind. I just read an article in which the killer's family is claiming that he can't be a racist because he's Hispanic. Sorry, being from one ethnic group does not exempt you from being a racist against another.
le nubian - Mar 18, 2012 7:58:42 am PDT #9955 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
not to mention that he has called 911 several times complaining about Black people.
sj - Mar 18, 2012 8:01:05 am PDT #9956 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
not to mention that he has called 911 several times complaining about Black people.
The 911 call I saw the transcript of was infuriating.
Typo Boy - Mar 18, 2012 8:01:40 am PDT #9957 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
T-N C specifically pointed out that it is less important what was in his heart than what he did. In my less polite way,I'd say it is less important that he is a racist than that he is a murderer. Not that there is not overwhelming evidence that he is a racist, but "I am not a racist" is not actually a defense against an accusation of murder.
sj - Mar 18, 2012 8:03:10 am PDT #9958 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
T-N C specifically pointed out that it is less important what was in his heart than what he did. In my less polite way,I'd say it is less important that he is a racist than that he is a murderer. Not that there is not overwhelming evidence that he is a racist, but "I am not a racist" is not actually a defense against an accusation of murder.
Except when it comes to hate crime laws, right? I don't know if FL has those.
le nubian - Mar 18, 2012 8:29:26 am PDT #9959 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
he did murder someone. that is a fact. the issue is whether he felt threatened at the time - from a legal perspective.
Morally, he is done. Nothing he can say at this point will suffice. The issue now is whether he will lose his freedom, and a more minor concern, if he will be giving the deed to his house to the victim's family.
Zenkitty - Mar 18, 2012 8:48:08 am PDT #9960 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Even if it wasn't a hate crime (which it was), it was still murder. The man should be arrested and tried for first-degree murder, regardless of his ethnicity, or his racism or lack thereof.
How could Z. have been threatened? He was in an SUV with a gun, on the phone with 911 telling him not to engage. The boy was on foot and unarmed. This is premeditated murder.