Well, to be fair, the bible isn't too awesome toward women.
Well, look at you. All dressed up in big sister's clothes.
Faith ,'End of Days'
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Nora Deirdre - Dec 30, 2011 11:35:22 am PST #4903 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)
sumi - Dec 30, 2011 11:42:56 am PST #4904 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!
Why is Mary in the Old Testament?
I mean - I agree with Hil - how is Mary relevant to a discussion of Judaism?
le nubian - Dec 30, 2011 11:46:18 am PST #4905 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
how is Mary relevant to a discussion of Judaism?
fair question.
Zenkitty - Dec 30, 2011 11:46:32 am PST #4906 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
At least in all the Bible teaching I've heard, God ASKED, and she said yes!
I don't recall that part. Maybe it's there, I just remember the Annunciation (not called the Asking, after all), not Mary's response.
G-d raped Mary
Ew. I never saw it THAT way. It was a gift. An inconvenient, awkward gift that almost got her forcibly divorced, but still.
I was arguing that the entire thing was irrelevant to a discussion of Judaism.
It's a little disheartening that that had to be pointed out.
Steph L. - Dec 30, 2011 11:49:58 am PST #4907 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
An inconvenient, awkward gift that almost got her forcibly divorced
They weren't married yet. (I only know because we looked it up a couple of weeks before, when Tim referred to Mary as an unwed mother, and I said no, they were married, Joseph just wasn't the baby daddy. Then I said, "Do we even HAVE a Bible?" [Both of us used to belong to (different) freak-ass churches, so we don't have any religious stuff around (except what his Dad gives us).] Lo and behold, we do have a Bible, so we looked it up, and Mary and Joseph were not yet wed when she became pregnant. I think they still weren't wed when she gave birth, but I'm not 100% on that.)
Laura - Dec 30, 2011 11:51:42 am PST #4908 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.
Religion weird.
Steph L. - Dec 30, 2011 11:56:05 am PST #4909 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
I'm mostly disturbed by the fact that we've lived together for 4 years and I didn't know if we had a Bible. I mean, I *know* the books in this house.
Cass - Dec 30, 2011 11:58:04 am PST #4910 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
I don't know if I have a bible either, actually. I think I donated it before I moved up here. A lot of books didn't make the cut.
Hil R. - Dec 30, 2011 12:02:54 pm PST #4911 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
It's a little disheartening that that had to be pointed out.
Yeah. I mean, I'm used to people who think that Judaism is just Christianity minus Jesus, but I don't think I've ever had to argue that argument before.
Zenkitty - Dec 30, 2011 12:09:38 pm PST #4912 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Thanks to cleaning out my grandmother's/mother's house, I have like five Bibles now. I still have the KJV I used for five years as my textbook in high school bible class.
They weren't married yet.
I guess I knew that. If they had been married, Joseph wouldn't have been surprised or concerned about finding her pregnant, right? I remember the line (verse?) that when he found out, Joseph "was minded to put her away privily." I interpreted that as a private, quiet breaking of their bond, which I thought of as marriage but I guess it was engagement.
Still, her showing up pregnant and NOT married was even more awkward.