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Spike's Bitches 47: Someone Dangerous Could Get In  

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meara - Apr 13, 2013 3:37:34 pm PDT #28721 of 30001

I think whether I was willing to change my name would depend on the person's name I was contemplating! I'd also be willing to consider a mashup name. Because at some point we'd probably have to discuss kid last names, and that just gets complicate (Plus if you have kids and have different names, you end up being "Mrs. [Kid'slastname]" to everyone anyway)

Oddly, in some ways I am more attached to my last name than my first name, so...yeah.


Pix - Apr 13, 2013 3:37:49 pm PDT #28722 of 30001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Wait, isn't the point of "Ms." that it doesn't denote marriage status (as opposed to Miss v. Mrs.)

Yes indeed. That's more important to me than the name itself, honestly.


Kate P. - Apr 13, 2013 4:20:18 pm PDT #28723 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

One family I work with sort it out by giving their girl children the mom's name and the boy's, the dad's.

My mom recently told me that when I was a kid, I suggested we could do just that in our family. She appreciated the gesture, but she never liked her last name much anyway, so she didn't really care that my brother and I didn't share it. But she never changed her name to my dad's, which is one reason why I always knew I wouldn't change my last name either.

Deciding on a last name for our kids, though, was much trickier. We ended up going with M's last name, which I think was the right decision -- primarily because it meant so much to his parents, after his brother's death, that our kids, who would be their only grandkids, would have their name -- but I do sometimes feel like I let down the feminist team with that one. I have at least three (female) friends I can think of whose kids took their last names, and I admit it makes me feel a little bit jealous.

But, you know, it really is one of those things where the right decision is whatever feels right to you. And Teppy, I totally understand wanting your names to match so that it's easier for people to think of you as a family. I think especially if you don't have kids, the name is sort of the primary signifier that means, "We are a family."


Calli - Apr 13, 2013 4:32:01 pm PDT #28724 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I found out in the past year or so that Dad's (and my) last name only goes back to his grandfather. Great-granddad's last name is different from his siblings and parents. I don't know if we were great-granddad's second family or he was expelled from his family or if there's some other scandal. It's all lost in time and whatnot. (I'm assuming it was a thing, since it would have been 1880-1900.)

So I'm not attached to my family name because it has deep ancestral roots. But it is what I grew up and lived with. It's how I think of myself.


billytea - Apr 13, 2013 4:38:59 pm PDT #28725 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Changing her name was never even an issue for Biyi. It's simply not done in Chinese culture. We decided to carry that through, and Ryan has two names - an English name, including my family name, and a Chinese name, using Biyi's family name. It's not equal - only his English name appears on his birth certificate - but his Chinese name isn't simply a novelty. Anyone addressing him in Chinese uses it. I particularly like that it shows that not only does he come from two families, but also from two cultures.

A couple of other notes: his Chinese given name starts with a generational name, which in his case is Yŏu (pronounced 'yo'), meaning 'to have'. When you take all the generational names, one after the other in order, they make a poem. I think that's excellently cool. His full given name is Yŏu Rén, which means kind or benevolent, and is the first Confucian virtue. Plus, it sounds quite a bit like 'Ryan'.

I usually explain his English name, 'Ryan', by saying that it means 'little king'. In China, the tendency of many families to lavish attention and all familial expectations on their only permitted child is called the Little Emperor Syndrome. But Ryan's only half-Chinese, so he's a Little King.


SuziQ - Apr 13, 2013 4:55:56 pm PDT #28726 of 30001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

My maiden name had 14 letters and two hypens. Neither of the nyphens came from hyphenating my mom's and dad's last names together - it all came from my dad. And yes, I would max out the spaces available on many forms. I can't put my maiden name into Facebook because of the two hyphens.

I happily took and kept KCD's last name. I've had it longer than I had my maiden name.

My mom kept her married name long after her divorce but one day, when she was in her late 50's, she decided to go back to her maiden name. Within 48 hours she had gotten everything switched back. I'm still not quite sure what prompted the change.


Burrell - Apr 13, 2013 5:39:32 pm PDT #28727 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

After years of HR admin work, I have to admit I really came to dislike hyphenated names.

It's not just you, there is a whole slew of BS that women with hyphenated names--or at least women like me who had an actual credit history before marriage--have to go through that no one else does. Like NONE of my old credit cards are willing to let me change my official name to my ACTUAL name. The phone company won't let me change my name on the billing for the phone. My health insurance won't let me change my name either. Social security was kind enough to deign to let me use my new name, but they--swear to God--screwed up my official birthdate on their paperwork (a transcription error) and now we need to use the WRONG BIRTHDATE on our taxes or they will be rejected by the IRS. It's all very minor but it really bugs.

The irony? Since most of the credit cards were originally in my name, they are all fine with DH having a hyphen. But if the WOMAN is the primary card or insurance holder, allowing me the courtesy of using my actual name fucks up their files.


WindSparrow - Apr 13, 2013 5:40:31 pm PDT #28728 of 30001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I tried to counter with Pond but he said he'd only be willing if we went with Who.

Excellent! Which leaves Pond for Daniel and me.


sj - Apr 13, 2013 5:43:58 pm PDT #28729 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

It's not just you, there is a whole slew of BS that women with hyphenated names--or at least women like me who had an actual credit history before marriage--have to go through that no one else does. Like NONE of my old credit cards are willing to let me change my official name to my ACTUAL name. The phone company won't let me change my name on the billing for the phone. My health insurance won't let me change my name either. Social security was kind enough to deign to let me use my new name, but they--swear to God--screwed up my official birthdate on their paperwork (a transcription error) and now we need to use the WRONG BIRTHDATE on our taxes or they will be rejected by the IRS. It's all very minor but it really bugs.

I haven't had trouble with banks or my debit cards, but I have been yelled at by the lady at the dry cleaners. And all of my medical records are either under my maiden name or under my name without the hyphen in one big long name because their computer programs will not allow for hyphens. This makes calling any doctor's office (which is something I do often) and actually having them find my file a big huge pain in the ass.


DavidS - Apr 13, 2013 5:50:56 pm PDT #28730 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm all for people being able to use any names they choose for themselves.

However, I know for a fact that hyphenated or even particularly long names can be problematic for any number of systems. Last name fields are often limited to a certain number of characters. And sometimes hyphens aren't recognized in an alpha field or they come out funky when you download or output the data. Stuff like that, even before you try to label somebody's personnel file and have to shrink it down to 8 pt type.