edit: deleted because it was going for a conversation and I'll respect javachik's deletion.

Have you tried the Dave Ramsey stuff, quester?

I have never heard of him before, but will look into it, thanks Liese.

Hugs all around!

Oh Cass, I'm just now home and logging back on. I'm sorry if I stopped all conversation - didn't mean to. But there's no way I can be unbiased so I don't know if it's fair for me to take part. And a lot of what pharmaceutical companies do is not lovable. I just get disappointed when the entire industry is painted in one stroke. I'm sorry I missed what you wrote.

Hugs backatcha. I love the buffistas support network.

He's Christian, so there is some of that element in there, but the core principles of what he's trying to do are straightforward, in practical terms of how to get through debt reduction and set priorities and stuff. I think a few Buffistas have been through his method. megan walker, maybe? We false started a couple of times, but hope to really hit it moving forward.

Java, I don't think there's any problem with you speaking from your bias, as long as you're acknowledging it. We all come to the table with biases, and I, for one, would appreciate hearing your insider point of view.

Java, I don't think there's any problem with you speaking from your bias, as long as you're acknowledging it.

Yeah, I thought your point was fair and valid and worth expressing. Sorry you retracted it.

To avoid obnoxiousnessk, I won't answer at length. But I think fundamental problems with an industry does not mean lots of people are not doing good stuff within it often with the best of intentions. But that does not mean that some of the problems are not structural rather than just a few bad apples.

Thanks, guys. (Including Typo! :-) )

Yeah, i know I'm biased, but I also figure I'm ok working on the research side...I know I do my job as ethically as I can. I don't think I could be a sales rep or something.

Oh Cass, I'm just now home and logging back on. I'm sorry if I stopped all conversation - didn't mean to. But there's no way I can be unbiased so I don't know if it's fair for me to take part.

Don't be sorry. I wasn't forced to take my post down. I just wasn't interested in being involved in an exchange tonight that felt at all combative, so it was easy for me to delete.

I'm not unbiased either. And while I think there are a lot of good people involved, I think the industry is broken.

Any conversation we had was, at best, going to be coming at it from really different places. You made a good post. I just disagreed with some of it and explained why.

So maybe we'll have that conversation sometime or we won't. But keeping my post there when you deleted and said you were too tired to argue? That felt icky to do to a friend.