Kate, I know! I found her through you.
I get confused. I remember everything. I remember too much, and... some of it's made up, and... some of it can't be quantified, and... there's secrets.
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Spike's Bitches 47: Someone Dangerous Could Get In
[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.
smonster - Dec 10, 2012 1:51:32 pm PST #23692 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
§ ita § - Dec 10, 2012 1:56:40 pm PST #23693 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It's still stuff that wouldn't have been allowed in my house when I was a kid.
Did you have a moratorium (or do I mean moratorii?) on all other religion-related artefacts, or just Christianity?
Beverly - Dec 10, 2012 2:01:08 pm PST #23694 of 30001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
I never think of evergreen decorations as related to any sort of religion. They're just a way of reminding those of us locked in a dark time bereft of growing things that green still exists, until spring comes and brings the light back. That's not so much Christian, Heathen, or Pagan as atavistic human. To me, anyway.
brenda m - Dec 10, 2012 2:03:46 pm PST #23695 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
I never think of evergreen decorations as related to any sort of religion. They're just a way of reminding those of us locked in a dark time bereft of growing things that green still exists, until spring comes and brings the light back. That's not so much Christian, Heathen, or Pagan as atavistic human. To me, anyway.
I like that idea but it's pretty easy to say from a raised-Christian perspective. (Mine, to be clear - not trying to assume your background.) My hunch is it feels pretty different coming from outside that tradition.
omnis_audis - Dec 10, 2012 2:09:54 pm PST #23696 of 30001
omnis, pursue. That's an order from a shy woman who can use M-16. - Shir
If only those crazy Christians didn't co-op the Yule Log and Yule Tree! It was the German Folklorists first, gorrum it! Now, get off my lawn, you crazy kids.
(Not making light of anyones celebrations, just making note, how intertwined Christmas has become in many different traditions. Norse. Germanic. Roman. Dunno what else off the top of my head. Most of which have nothing to do with the birth of the baby Jesus, which many think happened in September, not December.)
Connie Neil - Dec 10, 2012 2:11:54 pm PST #23697 of 30001
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I thought he was born in the spring, with the lambs, which is why the shepherds were out in the hills.
Unless you're thinking of Mithras, who was born in September.
Hil R. - Dec 10, 2012 2:12:25 pm PST #23698 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
Did you have a moratorium (or do I mean moratorii?) on all other religion-related artefacts, or just Christianity?
I don't know. I think that, for most other religions, things that weren't obviously religious would just register as "That pretty bowl that the Patels brought us from India" or whatever, even if someone more familiar with the tradition would recognize that it had some kind of religious significance. We could identify Christmas stuff even if it wasn't things that were directly connected to Christianity.
Hil R. - Dec 10, 2012 2:14:50 pm PST #23699 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
(Not making light of anyones celebrations, just making note, how intertwined Christmas has become in many different traditions. Norse. Germanic. Roman. Dunno what else off the top of my head. Most of which have nothing to do with the birth of the baby Jesus, which many think happened in September, not December.)
But from the perspective of a Jewish parent (or, at least, my Jewish parents, and the parents of most of the Jewish kids I grew up with), all of that is still Stuff That's Not Ours. It all goes in the "We can help our friends celebrate their holiday, just like they can come over here and light the menorah and eat latkes with us, but their holiday is at their house and our holiday is at our house" pile.
omnis_audis - Dec 10, 2012 2:15:41 pm PST #23700 of 30001
omnis, pursue. That's an order from a shy woman who can use M-16. - Shir
I thought he was born in the spring, with the lambs, which is why the shepherds were out in the hills.
There are lots of theories out there. But it seems the one thing most agree upon, is that being born in December, would most likely not have resulted in shepherds in the fields, as it is winter. I've heard both April-ish and September-ish theories. Some based on the census and taxes. Some based on the harvest. Who knows.
omnis_audis - Dec 10, 2012 2:16:48 pm PST #23701 of 30001
omnis, pursue. That's an order from a shy woman who can use M-16. - Shir
But from the perspective of a Jewish parent (or, at least, my Jewish parents, and the parents of most of the Jewish kids I grew up with), all of that is still Stuff That's Not Ours. It all goes in the "We can help our friends celebrate their holiday, just like they can come over here and light the menorah and eat latkes with us, but their holiday is at their house and our holiday is at our house" pile.True enough. I'm surprised Christians haven't borrowed more from the Jewish traditions. They stole from everyone else! t snerk