Yes. Men like sports. Men watch the action movie, they eat of the beef, and enjoy to look at the bosoms. A thousand years of avenging our wrongs and that's all you've learned?

Xander ,'End of Days'


Spike's Bitches 47: Someone Dangerous Could Get In  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


smonster - Aug 24, 2012 7:21:34 pm PDT #19372 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Oh, Shir, how absolutely awful. I am so sorry for your loss, and the loss to your community.

Lots of ~ma to your sister, omnis.

****

I have met the Strix! And she is fabulous! I am doing my best to convince her that I am happiest helping out. I am also admiring her delightful owl collection, as a fellow aficionado.

Since I only got three hours of sleep and chatted with my seatmate most of the way (I don't really sleep well on planes), I was barely conscious when I got here. Barbecue and a nap and now decaf Earl Gray are helping immensely.

Already setting up two more dates, one with a Ukrainian rugby player and one with a nice Jewish girl from New york. Suck it, Z.


Cashmere - Aug 24, 2012 8:03:59 pm PDT #19373 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Shir, I'm so very sorry about your friend.

Aims, I just wanted to say that I have the same issues with Ellie. She has long fine hair that one of us brushes every morning but it is so fine that it looks kind of tangled at the end of the day. Despite my offers of ponytails and barrettes, she likes to just let it all hang in her face. Your post actually cheered me up because I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Not the only ones. Liv hair is a bear to deal with.


Strix - Aug 24, 2012 8:40:29 pm PDT #19374 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Oh, I put smonster to work cutting up citrus fruit for sangria! Macerate, little fruits! Macerate in the Triple Sec (ok, so I'm broke so no Grand Marnier, which is my preference!)

And she added to my owl collection (a fab owl/domino pendant) and a lovely ceramic mug with skulls and (what I am calling) and teeny (non-functioning) oubliette door at the bottom! I can't wait to drink coffee from it tomorrow!

Tomorrow will be fun!


Shir - Aug 25, 2012 12:26:35 am PDT #19375 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Thank you, all.


Pix - Aug 25, 2012 7:39:30 am PDT #19376 of 30001
The status is NOT quo.

I'm way behind, but I'm so sorry for your loss, Shir.


Steph L. - Aug 25, 2012 8:23:18 am PDT #19377 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Shir, that's so hard. I'm sorry for your loss.

Yay, Strix party with added smonster!

ION, I'm wondering something. When you call someone out on their behavior as being inappropriate, and they apologize, what's the best response to the apology? Is "Apology accepted" okay (assuming, of course, that you *do* accept their apology), or even the awkward, stilted "I accept your apology"?

Because my instinct is to reply with "That's okay," when I *don't* mean that the behavior is okay at all! But I feel like I need to smooth things over (hello, socialization as a woman).

The basic scenario was this: Tim's best friend is gropey and ignores boundaries (with the added context that, within the kink scene, people can be VERY touchy-feely, although there is STILL a "rule" of "ask before you touch").

One night at a crowded party (so I was tweaky from the moment we walked in, because too many people in a too-small space will turn my anxiety up to 11 right away), he came over to greet us, and hugged me -- but I still had my coat on, but unbuttoned, so he slid his hands inside my coat and around to my ass. I dropped my arms and stepped back immediately. (Because it was so fucking crowded, I stepped into someone behind me, and there was chaos and I apologized for stepping into them, and in the mayhem, Tim's best friend moved away.)

At a later date, when it was just the 3 of us (maybe at our house, I don't remember), he said, "Are you uncomfortable with hugging? Because you didn't seem to like me hugging you at rope group."

And I said, "Well, I'm not crazy about hugging, but I was really uncomfortable by you reaching inside my coat and groping me. Most people would hug outside a coat, and I don't have a gropey relationship with anyone but Tim. You may have noticed that *I* don't grope *you,* for instance."

And he said, "Well, I'm sorry I crossed that line with you, and I'm glad I know it now."

I took it as a genuine apology (and he hasn't gotten gropey with me since then), but all I could come up with as a response was "I accept your apology." Which feels stilted and silly. But saying "That's okay" is not right, because it wasn't okay.

Is there some other alternative to "Apology accepted" that is less stilted but still doesn't imply that the behavior was okay?

(And, I KNOW. It should be basic knowledge that you DON'T hug someone by putting your hands into their open coat, much less grab their ass. He deliberately pushes boundaries like that, and it pisses me off. Tim and I have had the conversation several times of "What the FUCK is wrong with [Friend] that he thinks that's okay?!?" I would like Tim to have a come-to-Jesus talk with him about being Gropey McGroperson, but Tim is so damn non-confrontational that it's not going to happen. And for right now, *I* am not willing to have that conversation with him.)


Amy - Aug 25, 2012 8:27:01 am PDT #19378 of 30001
Because books.

Steph, I would say, "Thanks for understanding."


DebetEsse - Aug 25, 2012 8:29:15 am PDT #19379 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

"Okay, then" could also work. Basically content-free, but fills the space of a response.


Beverly - Aug 25, 2012 8:29:20 am PDT #19380 of 30001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Steph, I'd think, "Thank you for understanding," or "I appreciate your apology" would be quite a bit warmer and less stilted, while not implying the unwelcome attention was okay.


sj - Aug 25, 2012 8:32:52 am PDT #19381 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Steph, I'd think, "Thank you for understanding," or "I appreciate your apology" would be quite a bit warmer and less stilted, while not implying the unwelcome attention was okay.

I agree with this. I learned to say, "I appreciate your apology" with the former upstairs neighbors because I felt that my usual "That's ok" let them off the hook for their bad behavior.