When you look back at this, in the three seconds it'll take you to turn to dust, I think you'll find the mistake was touching my stuff.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - May 21, 2011 8:53:10 pm PDT #9244 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Oh, I meant to say, about this:

I have this odd feeling that I'm in placebo-land, but I'd sacrifice a chicken if I was in that kind of pain again and someone told me it would make it stop.

I just paid a little less than $500 total for 6 acupuncture visits for my migraines. And even if it was total placebo effect, they goddamned worked. And that's all I give a shit about. (I still have some migraine pain try to start up, but I can generally stop it within a couple of hours, with ibuprofen. Prior to acupuncture, it generally took 2-3 days to get one to go away, with all kinds of shit, like percocet.)

I've read some on acupuncture's purported mechanisms of action, and some of the nerve/endorphin dealies make a lot of sense to me. That said, even if it was a giant placebo, I don't give a shit, because it dialed my migraines down by about 95%, and that right there is Jesus-making-the-blind-man-see, for me.


aurelia - May 21, 2011 9:42:18 pm PDT #9245 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

While I don't subscribe to any particular faith I do think spirituality can be a wonderful thing for people. It's organized religion that I deeply mistrust.

3. A good probiotic is your friend.

This has worked wonders for my mom. I'm not sure what enzymes she takes, but before she started those she was afraid to eat much of anything.


Typo Boy - May 21, 2011 9:43:07 pm PDT #9246 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

When I was first diagnosed with degenerating disks I was too tense for PT to do any good. So my PT sent me to an acupuncturist which reduced the tension enough for PT to do me some good. And I'm absolutely certain it was placebo effect because half the time she waved a stick of lit incense around rather than do acupuncture. (The acupuncturist told me the incense was Moly and I told her that if she had access to actual Moly she should be, I don't know, turning CEOs of large corporations back into human beings.) But did not care that is was Placebo, because pain relief. And from some tests I've heard apparently the Placebo affect does not depend on belief. You can know your treatment is bullshit and it can still work. At which point it is not really bullshit. I wonder how the hell the Placebo affect does work. I mean saying it is psychological is a nice label but really is not very specific. I gather a lot of people wonder about that and are trying to discover the answer.


Strix - May 21, 2011 9:52:39 pm PDT #9247 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Erin, the violet balsamic is FANTASTIC. I haven't tried the violet mojitos recipe yet, 'cos the antibiotic I'm on for the Lyme disease means I shouldn't drink. But it is fabulous in fizzy water, and over strawberries.

Oh, YAY! I'm so pleased.

The thing is with alternative medicine (and I'm NO expert) is that a lot of tried and true things are labeled alternative because they don't come from box or from the pharmacist.

Ginger and peppermint help nausea. Chamomile is a mild sedative. Massage helped me with carpal tunnel and stress migraines.

Many heart medications are derived from digitalis, which has been used for heart conditions for thousands of years. Yet many herbal remedies are labeled "alternative."

Yeah, a shitload of it's whackaloon money-mongering, but some very useful things get tarred with the alt medicine brush.

When I eat too much, I have a cup of mint tea rather than tums. When I am tense, I'll have some Tension Tamer tea. I put tea tree oil on small cuts, and aloe on a small burn.

But if I have a headache, I take a Tylenol, and have a hot shower, if I feel a panic attack coming, I take a Xanax and motherfucking Ambien is my BFF because I have tried ALL the herbal and alt-med treatments out there for my chronic insomnia and they did not pass muster.

Only thing I never tried was heroin, for obvious reasons. I'm pretty sure it would have put me to sleep, but...

Speaking of which, time to crawl into bed.


Atropa - May 21, 2011 10:24:03 pm PDT #9248 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

and motherfucking Ambien is my BFF because I have tried ALL the herbal and alt-med treatments out there for my chronic insomnia and they did not pass muster.

PREACH IT. I am thrilled that herbal and alt-med treatments help with insomnia for people. I am not one of them, please don't tell me about the miracle of valerian.


Strix - May 21, 2011 10:41:16 pm PDT #9249 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Valerian, in pill form or in tea tastes like ASS.

And it makes me tired, but it doesn't put me to sleep.

So, ASS, TIRED, NO SLEEP = No valerian love.


Atropa - May 21, 2011 10:46:50 pm PDT #9250 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

And it makes me tired, but it doesn't put me to sleep.

Ugh, that's the worst part of the various alt-meds for sleep issues. If I wanted to experience being tired and NOT SLEEPING, I could just not take anything!


Jessica - May 22, 2011 3:53:20 am PDT #9251 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The thing is with alternative medicine (and I'm NO expert) is that a lot of tried and true things are labeled alternative because they don't come from box or from the pharmacist.

This is why it's a bullshit category - it's not based on works vs doesn't-work, it's based on marketing. And in the US, you can market just about anything as a supplement as long as your claims are vague enough not to get you sued. I could put belly button lint in a bottle and sell it as a sleep aid if I put enough weasel words on the packaging.


Connie Neil - May 22, 2011 4:36:50 am PDT #9252 of 30001
brillig

I could put belly button lint in a bottle and sell it as a sleep aid if I put enough weasel words on the packaging.

Patent medicine has been a staple of shady marketing for centuries.


Sheryl - May 22, 2011 5:20:51 am PDT #9253 of 30001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Another lazy Sunday morning here.