Mal: Take your people and go. Captain: You would have done the same. Mal: We can already see I haven't.

'Out Of Gas'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Atropa - May 21, 2011 7:29:49 pm PDT #9231 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Jilli, it's making the whole balcony smell sweet and minty and sort of creamy. It's amazing. I have no idea what to do with it. I was thinking it might be nice to add a few leaves to iced coffee.

I would add it to fizzy water or iced tea. Or just eat the leaves.

Erin, the violet balsamic is FANTASTIC. I haven't tried the violet mojitos recipe yet, 'cos the antibiotic I'm on for the Lyme disease means I shouldn't drink. But it is fabulous in fizzy water, and over strawberries.


Allyson - May 21, 2011 7:34:38 pm PDT #9232 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Holy shit, Jilli. I was unaware you had Lyme. I just wrote an essay about my old neighbor's experience with Lyme and what happened when she tried to treat it with raw bison liver and meditation.


meara - May 21, 2011 7:40:51 pm PDT #9233 of 30001

and somewhat on the left, but the political effects of that are nowhere near as bad
Anti-science attitudes don't have to be political to be harmful - antivax activism kills more people than creationism.

OMG, was reading a Washington post parenting chat, and the "expert" was antivax!! I just about plotzed.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 21, 2011 7:47:31 pm PDT #9234 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Oh Lady Gaga, tight, low-rise PVC is no one's friend.


Atropa - May 21, 2011 7:49:59 pm PDT #9235 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Holy shit, Jilli. I was unaware you had Lyme. I just wrote an essay about my old neighbor's experience with Lyme and what happened when she tried to treat it with raw bison liver and meditation.

I solomnly swear I will not follow that sort of path to treat the damn Lyme. Yeah, I was diagnosed in ... November? December? Around then. I also have a bonus of CFS and cat scratch fever. So I'm on some hellacious antibiotics, vitamin shots, and a massive handful of supplements every day. I'm not thrilled about it, but having a diagnosis is better than not knowing why I felt like crap all the time.


Allyson - May 21, 2011 7:56:10 pm PDT #9236 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

OMG, was reading a Washington post parenting chat, and the "expert" was antivax!! I just about plotzed.

Yeah, there is no schadenfreude in dead children. There's no "I told you so."

It just makes me profoundly sad.

I get irrationally angry about alt med. I've been having horrible stomach problems and ended up in the hospital thinking it was my appendix about to burst I was in such intense pain. Five bazillion tests later concluded it was IBS. The doctor suggested fiber, peppermint oil, Prilosec, and an appointment with a dietician. Peppermint really does help, and he said they don't know why. I have this odd feeling that I'm in placebo-land, but I'd sacrifice a chicken if I was in that kind of pain again and someone told me it would make it stop.

I get how fear and pain can twist your perspective.


Steph L. - May 21, 2011 8:18:22 pm PDT #9237 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Allyson, my IBS has led me to a vast sea of knowledge about it. If you're interested, I'd be happy to share.


billytea - May 21, 2011 8:19:27 pm PDT #9238 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

OT was written in Hebrew. NT was written in Greek, not Aramaic.

True, although there is a small portion (bits of Ezra, Daniel and a couple of other places) where Aramaic is used.

I'm an atheist, Wallybee is a Christian, Ryan was just baptised as a Lutheran. The Christians I've known best are my parents and my wife, and I'm a big fan of what I've seen in them. (Not to mention my own time as a Christian, I took it very seriously indeed).

That said, I agree with Allyson, tommyrot, TB et al about the harm that closed-minded forms of religion -- and this isn't at the fringe of religion -- have caused. I find it's the closedmindedness rather than the religious belief that's the problem, but at this point it's inextricable.

Like I said, Ryan's been baptised as a Lutheran. This is a pretty open-minded church. Wallybee still finds their Bible studies frustrating as they do little more than push the party line, and I've been wryly amused by some occasional comments along the lines of "Obviously you slept with that girl from your reunion the Catholics/Baptists/insert-church-not-beginning-with-an-L is wrong, and probably insulting God".

The usual qualifiers apply, being religious isn't synonymous with being closed-minded, nor vice versa. Nonetheless, I will take a poor view of anyone at church who wants to tell Ryan that his atheist father should be looked down on, preached to, dismissed, scorned or pitied on the basis of religious belief.


billytea - May 21, 2011 8:24:37 pm PDT #9239 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Allyson, there's a couple of articles about alternative medicine in the latest Economist: [link] [link]

(My favourite quote: "The world’s advertising-standards offices should thus crack down on bogus claims—including the idea that there is such a thing as “alternative medicine” in the first place. If it works, it is a medicine and should be regulated like one. If it doesn’t work, it isn’t a medicine.")


Allyson - May 21, 2011 8:26:53 pm PDT #9240 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

That would be awesome, Steph. I find the whole thing embarrassing. And painful.