You do well to flee, townspeople! I will pillage your lands and dwellings! I will burn your crops and make merry sport with your more attractive daughters! Ha ha ha! Mark my words! Ooh! Ale! I smell delicious ale!

Olaf the Troll ,'Showtime'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Connie Neil - May 21, 2011 10:35:31 am PDT #9119 of 30001
brillig

At the very least, if noticeable tits show up, that cat's out of the bag.


sumi - May 21, 2011 10:37:51 am PDT #9120 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Well, I don't think the idea is to keep the secret forever but to allow the child to choose it's likes/interests etc on it's own. So that nobody will be making judgements on what the kid should be like based on whether s/he's a boy or a girl.


Trudy Booth - May 21, 2011 10:57:17 am PDT #9121 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I know with Pop, and it seems with Storm, its really a matter of avoiding the frenetic PINK OR BLUE!?!?!? imprinting infants and toddlers are subject to.

The articles keep saying "genderless" but that's not quite it -- more like "gender necessary". It really isn't necessary for the lady at the Shop Rite to declare that strong kicking means a football player or a ballerina -- nor is it necessary for the kid to hear it.

I felt like going all anarchist on a toy store and burning the shit down when I found a three pack of pink and white soccer, foot, and basket balls for two year old girls. Really? Seriously? Shut the fuck up, people.


Liese S. - May 21, 2011 11:05:24 am PDT #9122 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I'm kinda okay with that. I don't think it's a battle the parents can win, but why not spare the kid a little of it if they can? It's so ridiculous at this point anyway.

Okay. To do in the next hour: shower, dress, staple brochures, pack all the CRASH Japan stuff, feed self, dog, and spouse, check on spouse, Walgreens on the way for Advil, Nyquil, kleenexes, something I misremember, get to rehearsal.

Oh, and water the plants. I forgot to water the plants even after telling you guys. Doing it now.


Jessica - May 21, 2011 11:09:14 am PDT #9123 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The problem I have with making kids stuff "gender neutral" is that in practice, it almost always just means getting rid of all the girly stuff. It's not "gender neutral," it's "boy-by-default."


Amy - May 21, 2011 11:22:06 am PDT #9124 of 30001
Because books.

I imagine once you want to enroll your child in public school, they're going to insist on knowing the child's gender, too.

It's also an interesting look at how much gender can mean or not mean, to the parent as well the individual. I had Sara in something with flowers on it (but not excessively pink) before she had much hair, and someone in the supermarket remarked on how adorable *he* was. And it hurt, stupidly, because to me Sara was a girl -- it was already part of her identity for me, whatever that means.


Zenkitty - May 21, 2011 11:26:27 am PDT #9125 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

It would all be easier if English has a gender-neutral pronoun that wasn't plural. I don't mind saying "they" when I'm talking about unspecified persons, but when talking about someone - a baby - right in front of me, it doesn't sound right. If we could look at a baby and coo, "oh, isn't ** cute!" without having to say he or she or IT, knowing the baby's gender might not seem quite so important.


Hil R. - May 21, 2011 11:26:44 am PDT #9126 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I had Sara in something with flowers on it (but not excessively pink) before she had much hair, and someone in the supermarket remarked on how adorable *he* was.

That happened to a friend of mine. Her daughter was in a light blue shirt with flowers embroidered on the front and ruffly sleeves, and someone commented on how cute the little boy was. She said, "She's a girl," and the woman commenting said, "Then why is she wearing blue?"


quester - May 21, 2011 11:27:22 am PDT #9127 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

billytea: Hi everyone. Um... No earthquakes here. (Is that a spoiler? Should I be whitefonting?)

Erin: Worrying about the Rapture is on my list of shit to be concerned about. It's right under item 20,306: Worrying about corkboards becoming animate and eating me.

You guys make the Apocalypse fun!


Amy - May 21, 2011 11:27:30 am PDT #9128 of 30001
Because books.

Wow. Speaking of perception, Ben has a friend over. Apparently he's also in eighth grade, but this kid has to be six feet tall, and could probably throw me across the room. No way I'd think *middle-schooler* if I saw him on the street.