Nobody can tell Marmaduke what to do. That's my kind of dog.

Trick ,'First Date'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Consuela - May 12, 2011 5:30:54 pm PDT #8047 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

There are guys who want to argue that ties are as bad has pantyhose, heels, bras, makeup and all the other uncomfortable accoutrements of corporate dress for women.

Yeah. It's not that I disbelieve the discomfort of a tie, but it's far less of an imposition than the traditional accoutrements of femininity are, at least in Western culture. Even if we enjoy wearing skirts & hose & whatnot, the expectation in professional quarters is that we dress with more creativity and variety than men do, and that we wear makeup and jewelry, none of which men are obliged to do.


§ ita § - May 12, 2011 5:44:00 pm PDT #8048 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Women are obliged to wear jewelry? I buy makeup, although even the most conservative places I've worked have had plenty of women (including myself) go face-naked, but jewelry?


Consuela - May 12, 2011 5:48:38 pm PDT #8049 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Obligated? Nope. But it's part of the general package, like Teppy mentioned upthread.

I once told someone I hadn't been on a date in a while, and she protested that I wore earrings. I think she thought that wearing earrings was a signal that I was both female and straight.

None of the rules are requirements these days, and most of us ignore a lot of them when we feel like it. But they're still out there, in the air.


DavidS - May 12, 2011 5:50:45 pm PDT #8050 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I once told someone I hadn't been on a date in a while, and she protested that I wore earrings.

Heh. That's such a sitcom kind of line.

"But you wear earrings!"


meara - May 12, 2011 5:54:50 pm PDT #8051 of 30001

I once told someone I hadn't been on a date in a while, and she protested that I wore earrings. I think she thought that wearing earrings was a signal that I was both female and straight.

hahahha! Earrings are pretty much the only jewelry I wear. Otoh, I have been known to wear earrings that are more "dykey" as part of my general style.


§ ita § - May 12, 2011 5:54:57 pm PDT #8052 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'd put jewelry for women almost on a level with cufflinks or tie-pins for men. Sure, they are part of a package, but really quite optional. Something that you wouldn't be surprised to see, but also wouldn't put as a requirement for presentability in the way that makeup might be, or hose.


Consuela - May 12, 2011 5:56:08 pm PDT #8053 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Total change of topic: did anyone share these graphics about sex from OKCupid?

[link]

Kinda cool. I am fascinated by the one with the slider, charting age, body type, sex drive, and self-confidence.


Amy - May 12, 2011 6:00:18 pm PDT #8054 of 30001
Because books.

The rough/gentle sex one makes a hell of a lot of assumptions about a lot of things. Smokers are more inclined to rough sex? In, what, Rebel Without a Cause? England is equated with gentle sex? Really?


Liese S. - May 12, 2011 6:03:58 pm PDT #8055 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I don't wear makeup or jewelry on a general basis. But I'm not a good representative sample.

I did get lovely handmade pearl earrings from the mom of the guest math tutor last week. They're beautiful! Then I had to hide my ears the whole week so he didn't notice I didn't have pierced ears. I suppose I could get something that converts them to clip-ons.

In terms of non-sequitor reasoning, one of the teachers at the school where we work on Wednesdays had the following exchange with one of her high school boys. "My friend likes someone, but I can't tell you who." "Then why did you start to tell me at all?" "Because you're wearing orange." Makes sense to me!


Kat - May 12, 2011 6:11:33 pm PDT #8056 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Please tell me you'll send them somewhere interesting if they still believe climate change is a hoax AND want to know where the bathroom is. Preferably where they'll experience a climate change in their pants.

This made me laugh so hard!

I want to go to the JPL open house, but instead I'm going to swim lessons, birthday party, a Big Sunday volunteer thing (YAY! I ♥ Big Sunday), a VVS Open House/Parent-Teacher conference thing.