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Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - May 06, 2011 4:38:13 pm PDT #7268 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

ita, I totally came across a product similar to that you linked to the other day, and had to share it with someone else, and we agreed it was way weirder/grosser than a fake peen, and I'm still not 100% sure why.

Also, there's a slut walk here tomorrow, apparently, but I'm not going.


§ ita § - May 06, 2011 4:44:32 pm PDT #7269 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But it's really simple to counter the "you can lower your risk of being assaulted by dressing differently" if the numbers support that. I don't assign blame to the rape victim, ever, but I'm trying to assemble arguments.

I've never seen anything cited that supports that dressing scantily puts you at more risk--just the assumption that if there are increased sexual feelings on the part of men, there's increased jeopardy. So I'm curious to see if that bears out.


-t - May 06, 2011 4:46:48 pm PDT #7270 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Yay, Theo, that is super awesome to read!


DavidS - May 06, 2011 4:49:21 pm PDT #7271 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

has there ever been any correlation proven between the way a woman dresses and her risk of being victim of rape or sexual assault? I mean, are the jackasses that are saying "Dressed like that, she was asking for it" contradicted by numbers?

I don't know how you'd quantify "dressing sexy."

Indeed, if police noted "sexiness of rape victim's attire" on a scale of one to ten on the police report they'd get pilloried right quick.


§ ita § - May 06, 2011 4:53:43 pm PDT #7272 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You could start by examining rape stats in a culture where women wear burkas or similar obscuring clothing. Also, you wouldn't need police to note the clothing. People do studies and shit all the time and do their own research. Grants are levied on less precise language than that all the time.

If you can determine that "walking like a victim" is supposed to put you at higher risk for being mugged, why wouldn't you be able to investigate this?

Unrelatedly (because everything is unrelated), why did I not know Christina Aguilera had a song about cunnilingus? Possibly because I won't let the kids stay long on my lawn.


sarameg - May 06, 2011 4:56:02 pm PDT #7273 of 30001

There's this AMAZING notion: you don't have the right to fuck whoever you want by your opinion alone.

You do have the right to chose, by mutual agreement, to have sex with someone.

This shouldn't be so hard.


sarameg - May 06, 2011 4:57:53 pm PDT #7274 of 30001

You could start by examining rape stats in a culture where women wear burkas or similar obscuring clothing.

Good luck with that. From what I've seen in the media, grossly underreported as the victims are often blamed. You know, for making eyes. Or existing.


Jesse - May 06, 2011 4:58:10 pm PDT #7275 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Unrelatedly (because everything is unrelated), why did I not know Christina Aguilera had a song about cunnilingus?

Of course she does.


meara - May 06, 2011 4:58:35 pm PDT #7276 of 30001

I did not know that about Xtina. But there are a few songs about that...I'm a fan of the Lil' Kim one. :)

I think it would be hard to define your criteria. I mean, you'd have to first decide which rapes you were going to filter out, and then some sort of sexiness scale (like, is it how much skin? Is a skirt sexier than shorts? What if they're shorter than the skirt? Do heels make it sexier? What about wedges? Jewelry?) And then like...is it different than how that person dresses normally? Different than the other people around? I mean, are you comparing "of the 10 people in the vicinity, she got raped because she was dressed sexier than 7 of them" or like "This person always wears a burka, whereas the raped person always wears stilettos and a miniskirt"?


Matt the Bruins fan - May 06, 2011 5:03:05 pm PDT #7277 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

My gut instinct is that in violent rapes that happen away from the home (as opposed to date rapes happening in familiar settings), victims are going to be chosen on criteria of how vulnerable they are and how far away help is likely to be rather than how attractive the rapist finds them.