Book: I believe I just... I think I'm on the wrong ship. Inara: Maybe. Or maybe you're exactly where you ought to be.

'Serenity'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - May 06, 2011 4:15:30 pm PDT #7263 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I was looking at it because...I got no defense.

Wait! I got a defense. This (NSFW) Tim/Kon totally makes me giggle.

No, that doesn't work as a defense.

In a much more serious vein--has there ever been any correlation proven between the way a woman dresses and her risk of being victim of rape or sexual assault? I mean, are the jackasses that are saying "Dressed like that, she was asking for it" contradicted by numbers?


sarameg - May 06, 2011 4:19:24 pm PDT #7264 of 30001

Well, aren't the majority of sexual assaults committed by persons known to the victim? Which is flimsy correlation to contradicting that claim, but there's a line there.

And frankly, the whole statement pisses me off so goddamned much I'm moving into raaaage territory.


§ ita § - May 06, 2011 4:25:37 pm PDT #7265 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm actually engaging with someone I thought I got along with that's espousing that line of thinking, and I am in raeg, for sure. I had thought him a little stuffy about some shit, but this has incensed me.

I thought about most rapes being committed by known people, but I wasn't sure if date rape numbers might make the "dressed for it" douchenozzles feel they had a point.

Man, I want to go take part in a slutwalk.


Amy - May 06, 2011 4:26:07 pm PDT #7266 of 30001
Because books.

380 to 80 to 81.

We pick up 81 around Scranton, and you're completely correct. Even heading up into NY State there, you're out of luck. Sucks.


smonster - May 06, 2011 4:36:04 pm PDT #7267 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I don't give a flying fuck what the numbers say. "She was asking for it" is a bullshit defense that puts the blame on the victim. If someone leaves their front door unlocked, does that mean anyone who walks in and steals shit is not a criminal? If the douchenozzle you're talking to wears a Rolex, is he "asking" to get mugged, and therefore unable to prosecute?

Grandmothers get raped, kids get raped, prostitutes get raped, women get raped by their husbands, men get raped in prison (and elsewhere, to be clear). There is no "asked for it."

*ahem* Hello, choir, pardon the sermon.


Jesse - May 06, 2011 4:38:13 pm PDT #7268 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

ita, I totally came across a product similar to that you linked to the other day, and had to share it with someone else, and we agreed it was way weirder/grosser than a fake peen, and I'm still not 100% sure why.

Also, there's a slut walk here tomorrow, apparently, but I'm not going.


§ ita § - May 06, 2011 4:44:32 pm PDT #7269 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But it's really simple to counter the "you can lower your risk of being assaulted by dressing differently" if the numbers support that. I don't assign blame to the rape victim, ever, but I'm trying to assemble arguments.

I've never seen anything cited that supports that dressing scantily puts you at more risk--just the assumption that if there are increased sexual feelings on the part of men, there's increased jeopardy. So I'm curious to see if that bears out.


-t - May 06, 2011 4:46:48 pm PDT #7270 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Yay, Theo, that is super awesome to read!


DavidS - May 06, 2011 4:49:21 pm PDT #7271 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

has there ever been any correlation proven between the way a woman dresses and her risk of being victim of rape or sexual assault? I mean, are the jackasses that are saying "Dressed like that, she was asking for it" contradicted by numbers?

I don't know how you'd quantify "dressing sexy."

Indeed, if police noted "sexiness of rape victim's attire" on a scale of one to ten on the police report they'd get pilloried right quick.


§ ita § - May 06, 2011 4:53:43 pm PDT #7272 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You could start by examining rape stats in a culture where women wear burkas or similar obscuring clothing. Also, you wouldn't need police to note the clothing. People do studies and shit all the time and do their own research. Grants are levied on less precise language than that all the time.

If you can determine that "walking like a victim" is supposed to put you at higher risk for being mugged, why wouldn't you be able to investigate this?

Unrelatedly (because everything is unrelated), why did I not know Christina Aguilera had a song about cunnilingus? Possibly because I won't let the kids stay long on my lawn.