Xander, don't speak Latin in front of the books!

Giles ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - May 03, 2011 6:52:41 am PDT #6652 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

So I'm at my migraine specialist, and it seems they can't find the appointment. The specifics aren't typical, but the frustration is.

Do these people understand that stress is a migraine trigger?


erikaj - May 03, 2011 7:18:21 am PDT #6653 of 30001
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

More like "Making fun of", then.


Sue - May 03, 2011 7:22:57 am PDT #6654 of 30001
hip deep in pie

I had a Rusty Nail and put this song on repeat: [link]

I had to break out the scotch.


Consuela - May 03, 2011 7:25:10 am PDT #6655 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

My sympathies to the Canadians.

So, talk to me like I'm stupid: is there any hope in the NDP's relative success?


Allyson - May 03, 2011 7:44:49 am PDT #6656 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

But, Allyson, you're stuck in the Green Lantern past. Updating you doesn't seem to have any effect.

Yeah, I'm not really rational about this.

Also, I'm disappointed that the Limbaugh thing turned out to by sarcasm. I do think folks trying to desperately to twist the story into a victory for the Bush Administration in spite of the Obama administration look completely craxy to most humans.


Jesse - May 03, 2011 7:49:10 am PDT #6657 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I just had a very pleasant trip around my office building -- they were having an employee sale, where I got my mother a Nina Totin' Bag for cheap, and then when I was getting lunch, two people complimented my dress! Which is nice because I like it more in theory than in reality and was just this morning thinking I should just get rid of it.


Kathy A - May 03, 2011 7:55:00 am PDT #6658 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

A co-worker who usually works either from home or at the office in the city is here today. I haven't seen her since last fall, so she looked at me and nearly fell off her chair. A very nice reaction, I thought!


Jesse - May 03, 2011 8:01:02 am PDT #6659 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

That's awesome, Kathy.


Steph L. - May 03, 2011 8:04:11 am PDT #6660 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

(Did I use that phrase right? "Taking the piss" = "Making a joke," yeah?)

Yes. But the connotation is also like, making a joke, and giving the business to the jokee.

Yeah! That's what I meant -- making a joke that pokes some fun at the pokee. And I think that someone telling a humorless dogmatic evangelical Christian that Batman can beat up Jesus definitely qualifies as taking the piss.


Sue - May 03, 2011 8:10:27 am PDT #6661 of 30001
hip deep in pie

So, talk to me like I'm stupid: is there any hope in the NDP's relative success?

Well, most of their gains are in Quebec. I don't quite know what was happening in Quebec, but it was definitely a refutation of the Bloc Quebecois (the status quo) and a rejection of the Tories and Liberals (the same old thing). It's extraordinary, because the NDP have never had any traction in Quebec before this. But it also means that they are bringing a largely rookie team of MPs to Ottawa, some are still in university. So, they'll need get their act together. Quebec electorate are notorious for reacting very strongly at the ballot box to unrealized expectations.

But how they react next time may rely on a couple of things:

1)If the Bloc recovers. They've retained only three seats, which means they lose official party status (and funding). They are left leaning, like the NDP, but primarily run on a separatist platform. I don't know what kind of appetite there is in Quebec for separatism anymore, it generally seems to be in decline.

2) It may also depend on what happens with the Conservative majority. They've been operating as a minority gov't until now, and haven't been able to put their own platform forward as they've liked. If they try to move the country too far right too fast, I don't think they will regain support in Quebec. If they remain relatively centrist, they could gain traction.

3) The fate of the Liberal party. They've been almost wiped out, and will have to stage a comeback. Already on election night there was talk of merger with the NDP. That might be a step too far for some Liberals. (Despite their name, they're a centrist party.) A lot of people are saying that the great hope for the Liberals is Justin Trudeau, so of Pierre Trudeau. If he were to become the federal leader, they may pick up support in Quebec (they love a French speaking leader).

4) How the NDP do as official opposition. It will be interesting to see what the battles will be like between the Tories and the NDP. With a majority, the Tories can push things through, but the NSP may have a chance to soften or slow any shifts to the right. But if all the new blood makes them a hot mess, they could be out as quickly as they were in.

Ontario is naturally Conservative, but more fiscally than socially. They elected an provincial NDP government in 1990 which was a disaster. It sent them back to the right and except for urban pockets, have remained there. I think it may take another decade or two to make them forget the Bob Rae NDP gov't.

The West is an area where the NDP had traditionally more support, but though there are some pockets, it's largely conservative country. I can't see it shifting back at any time, barring a MAJOR ecological disaster in the oilfields.

BC shifts back and forth between conservative and NDP, with urban tending left and rural tending right.

The East is not a natural NDP spot, but they've slowly picked up some seats over the years and kept them because they've representatives smart, active representatives. It's an area that is naturally more social conservative and fiscally liberal.