Simon: You are my beautiful sister. River: I threw up on your bed. Simon: Yep. Definitely my sister.

'War Stories'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Jun 05, 2011 4:41:17 pm PDT #11488 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Write him as an asexual romantic, and I will, umm. Text Cass or Jilli and bitch about it. A lot. With irritated handmotions that are hard to convey with just thumbs and words.

But he's so possessive of John -- doesn't that read as a type of romantic-ness, rather than aromantic?


§ ita § - Jun 05, 2011 4:45:37 pm PDT #11489 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

CRY INTO HIS PILLOW BECAUSE HE LONGS TO CUDDLE JOHN AND HOLD HIS HAND

Is that what being romantic is, or is that being emo?


Burrell - Jun 05, 2011 4:46:42 pm PDT #11490 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Hmm, other than the "everything else is transport" line, the two scenes read quite similarly to me. I don't read the unaired pilot as more ace than the aired scene; both read pretty ace to me. I'd say the biggest differences are in blocking and camera angles, which are pretty awkward in the pilot.


Connie Neil - Jun 05, 2011 4:48:47 pm PDT #11491 of 30001
brillig

More as a shorthand for celibate by choice instead of as orientation.

That's what I was thinking. So bound up in the life of the mind that those pesky bodily urges are annoying interruptions. I didn't read the previous definition discussion, so is the Cliff Notes version that asexual is sort of the same thing as "does not feel sexual desire" as opposed to "not acting on sexual desire"?

Holmes would have made a terrific monk.

As for possessiveness of John, is it for John-as-person or John-as-useful-and-familiar-object?


P.M. Marc - Jun 05, 2011 4:48:59 pm PDT #11492 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

But he's so possessive of John -- doesn't that read as a type of romantic-ness, rather than aromantic?

Not really, no. Possessive and desiring to be someone's main focus doesn't have to be romantic. It's frequently not. I've been jealously possessive of friends when they get new partners/love interests, but it's not always been because I've got any romantic stirrings for them. Often, it's because I enjoy their company, I'm lazy, and I'm selfish.


P.M. Marc - Jun 05, 2011 4:51:24 pm PDT #11493 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Hmm, other than the "everything else is transport" line, the two scenes read quite similarly to me. I don't read the unaired pilot as more ace than the aired scene; both read pretty ace to me. I'd say the biggest differences are in blocking and camera angles, which are pretty awkward in the pilot.

The pilot does, but obviously, for me, ASiP doesn't. The blocking, camera angles, acting choices, they all throw a more ho-yay frame around it. For which I blame Gatiss.


Steph L. - Jun 05, 2011 4:52:33 pm PDT #11494 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

so is the Cliff Notes version that asexual is sort of the same thing as "does not feel sexual desire" as opposed to "not acting on sexual desire"?

More or less.


P.M. Marc - Jun 05, 2011 4:52:42 pm PDT #11495 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Is that what being romantic is, or is that being emo?

My shorthand for "writing him as wanting the standard and stereotypical trappings of romance, as defined by Every Kiss begins with Kay and the floral industry."


§ ita § - Jun 05, 2011 4:56:51 pm PDT #11496 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My shorthand for "writing him as wanting the standard and stereotypical trappings of romance, as defined by Every Kiss begins with Kay and the floral industry."

Does that mean you twitch when he's written homoromantic, or when he's written emoromantic?


Steph L. - Jun 05, 2011 5:01:57 pm PDT #11497 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Is that what being romantic is, or is that being emo?

My shorthand for "writing him as wanting the standard and stereotypical trappings of romance, as defined by Every Kiss begins with Kay and the floral industry."

Ah. That's why I have no trouble seeing him as asexual homoromantic, because I don't see "romance" as needing to be as described by your shorthand. It doesn't work for me as a demi/grey A/whateversexual, but I am not short on romance. So I figure Sherlock's "romance" would not look like DeBeers would like it to.