This is my boat. They're part of my crew. No one's getting left. Best you get used to that.

Mal ,'Ariel'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Fiona - May 31, 2011 8:16:40 pm PDT #10560 of 30001

In France it's even more generous, I think, and I know all pre-natal care is covered by the government.

Just about every European country is more civilised on that score than the Americans, I think.

I had 6 weeks before the due date and 8 weeks after the birth as maternity leave on full pay and full health insurance (well, natch). After that I could take up to three years without pay and be sure that my job was being kept for me. Nowadays German parents (either father or mother are eligible) also get money for up to a year after the birth - 67% of last paycheck - if they don't work during that time.

Plus the state gives us child benefit of about $250 per month per kid until they are 18.


§ ita § - May 31, 2011 8:28:02 pm PDT #10561 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yes, PC.


DavidS - May 31, 2011 8:30:28 pm PDT #10562 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Yes, PC.

Wonder Woman with a Joan Jett shag just seems so right.


Cass - May 31, 2011 8:35:26 pm PDT #10563 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

And their universities "top up" the mat/pat leave so they're at like 95% salary for that time. Very civilized.

Is part of that civilization having some kind of loyalty to the employer as well? Because, while I think that the US can be truly awful for leaves of any kinds and taking care of actual people, USians also tend to ignore that real people own companies and employees who are there for the benefits and then leave are also problematic. Basically that they feed each other in a bad way.

I am pretty socialist when it comes to taking care of people and I really think that spreading the benefits and the pain (like insurance) works. Barring global care, I think that countries should do it. And that they benefit from this by having a healthier population.


Liese S. - May 31, 2011 8:35:53 pm PDT #10564 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

That is pretty seriously awesome.

Wonder Woman with a Joan Jett shag, I mean. Canadian maternity leave is also awesome, but in a completely different way.

My current haircut is leaning Joan Jett shag itself. It's supposed to look like this but it never quite gets there. Plus then I put on glasses and don't have that awesome dress.


DavidS - May 31, 2011 8:59:06 pm PDT #10565 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It's supposed to look like this but it never quite gets there.

That's a lot of layers. It's funny how certain hairstyling techniques are perfected and abandoned in each decade. Finger waves in the thirties, pin curls in the fifties, bouffant hairstyling in the sixties. Anyway, seventies hairstyles are all about layers and nowadays people just don't cut them as precisely and with such fine gradations. It's all about razor cutting, and that's a different technique and a different look.

To do that kind of proper layering you have to take almost quarter-inch sections. Nowadays you're lucky if they take one inch sections.


Liese S. - May 31, 2011 9:06:56 pm PDT #10566 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, I have my awesome buddy back in Indianapolis, and much like how I never quit going to my Indianapolis optometrist, I'm going to carry the picture to him and see if he can get there. He's so great. I used to just let him do whatever with my hair and it always looked amazing. No stylist has ever lived up to that since then.


javachik - May 31, 2011 10:01:43 pm PDT #10567 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Cass, in my cousin's case, they're both tenured, so they ain't going nowheres!


Theodosia - Jun 01, 2011 2:01:45 am PDT #10568 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Hey, it's JUNE!? How did that happen?

Anybody heard from Typo?


Sparky1 - Jun 01, 2011 3:22:00 am PDT #10569 of 30001
Librarian Warlord

Oh, maternity leave . . . My employer's health insurance does not cover birth control, they do not give any maternity leave, they dictate that if you deliver vaginally you must take off 8 weeks, and if by C-section you must take off 10 weeks, and they limit the amount of sick leave you are allowed to use for that 8/10 weeks to 6. (and! and! our vacation leave is use it or lose it, so it can't be saved up for these purposes)