So that's my dream. That and some stuff about cigars and a tunnel.

Faith ,'Get It Done'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Cashmere - Mar 13, 2011 5:15:42 pm PDT #28148 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

I love the appliance garages! We use our corner lazy susan cabinet, which works as well--except I have to take the top off the blender.


Ginger - Mar 13, 2011 5:15:49 pm PDT #28149 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Did not want to argue,but uranium mining is really awful.

So is coal mining.

Also wind power cheaper and cleaner than nukes.

I don't necessarily disagree, but the wind doesn't always blow and until we can effectively store electricity, we're not going to be free of coal and nuclear. I still don't see any way to scale up alternate energy to U.S. demand.

This NY Times article [link] is less optimistic but probably pretty accurate. Matt Wald is the only major journalist with nuclear expertise.


Typo Boy - Mar 13, 2011 5:20:13 pm PDT #28150 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

We can effective store small amounts of electricity. We can effectively move electricity. We could put what we spend on stupid wars into renewables (including storage, transmission and natural gas backups) and get a 98% fossil fuel grid less expensively than we could do the same thing with nukes. I've been cricitioal of nuke industry and it has never been about safety of power plants but about what we could do with today's technology cheaper than nukes.


sarameg - Mar 13, 2011 5:30:29 pm PDT #28151 of 30001

Transmission is a HUGE issue as it stands now. I wouldn't say we can effectively move electricity. I've been through the brownouts when the grid fails. It is not nearly as robust as it should be.

NM is largely fueled by coal. And it is local. But when the TX power plants went down, it was bad, and NM is a net exporter.


billytea - Mar 13, 2011 5:34:26 pm PDT #28152 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I have to say, I'm hugely impressed that they can suffer an 8.9 (!) earthquake and contain the damage to the nuclear plant. Which is just as well, because they won't be short of other demands on their disaster relief efforts.


Ginger - Mar 13, 2011 5:34:46 pm PDT #28153 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

As sarameg says, we really can't effectively move power now, and while there's a lot of talk about improving the grid and implementing smart grid technology, I don't see where the money's coming from.


Typo Boy - Mar 13, 2011 5:41:25 pm PDT #28154 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I should say we know how to build transmission. We are not doing it, but we are not building enough nukes to shut down coal either. If we are going to solve global warming we are going to have to do something we are doing. So "we aren't doing it now" is an arguement for doing nothing.


smonster - Mar 13, 2011 5:41:37 pm PDT #28155 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

And now for something completely different: Dabke dance flash mob in Lebanese airport - [link]


Ginger - Mar 13, 2011 5:49:25 pm PDT #28156 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

So "we aren't doing it now" is an argument for doing nothing.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be building wind, solar, geothermal, landfill methane and any other effective alternate energy facilities; beefing up the grid; and working on storage technology. We need to do that, but I still think we're going to need central station generating for the foreseeable future, and I'd rather have nukes than coal. The new designs have far more passive cooling, including having cooling water located over the reactor so it feeds by gravity.


Typo Boy - Mar 13, 2011 6:00:34 pm PDT #28157 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Finite amount of money. I'm not suggesting shutting down existing nukes prematurely, but the money we spend on new nukes could buy a combination of grid improvements and wind and solar that would displace more coal. And it is not like the cheapest wind and solar are not central station generating. Wind and solar both get cheaper in the 10s or 100s of Gigwatt ranges.