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'Out Of Gas'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Ginger - Mar 13, 2011 5:49:25 pm PDT #28156 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

So "we aren't doing it now" is an argument for doing nothing.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be building wind, solar, geothermal, landfill methane and any other effective alternate energy facilities; beefing up the grid; and working on storage technology. We need to do that, but I still think we're going to need central station generating for the foreseeable future, and I'd rather have nukes than coal. The new designs have far more passive cooling, including having cooling water located over the reactor so it feeds by gravity.


Typo Boy - Mar 13, 2011 6:00:34 pm PDT #28157 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Finite amount of money. I'm not suggesting shutting down existing nukes prematurely, but the money we spend on new nukes could buy a combination of grid improvements and wind and solar that would displace more coal. And it is not like the cheapest wind and solar are not central station generating. Wind and solar both get cheaper in the 10s or 100s of Gigwatt ranges.


DavidS - Mar 13, 2011 6:08:35 pm PDT #28158 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Having worked at a wind power company that made turbines, I'm going to note that wind power is not without its environmental costs. Raptors tend to fly the same wind patterns that fuel turbine farms and get chopped up pretty good in the blades. Are the negative environmental consequences of coal worse? Definitely. But when your wind farm is littered with eagles and hawks its a tough sell at times.


Ginger - Mar 13, 2011 6:09:38 pm PDT #28159 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Crap. Unit 3 had a hydrogen explosion like Unit 1's. It wasn't unexpected, but I was hoping they'd get a break.


sarameg - Mar 13, 2011 6:13:59 pm PDT #28160 of 30001

May the final contingencies work just as well. Huge blow, nevertheless. Japan is largely reliant on those plants and they need them eversomore now.


Typo Boy - Mar 13, 2011 6:16:33 pm PDT #28161 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

It is a tough sell. But lca pretty much shows wind is lower environmental impact than other means of generating electricity. (Negawatts are even lower, but we are not going to zero use unless something goes very very worng.)

However raptor death is mostly Altamont. More recent wind farms manage to avoid that through better tower design and turbine placement. Unfortunately they still kill bats. But I'd rather have wind turbines everywhere than nukes.

The second explosion is like the first - damaged the building but inner containment is still sound for the moment.


sarameg - Mar 13, 2011 6:16:35 pm PDT #28162 of 30001

IOShallowN, huge welt on the back of my hand in addition to bruising. It's gonna hurt during tomorrow's swim.

Swear to god, I'm going to throw the next kid leaning on the lane divider out of the freaking pool.


DavidS - Mar 13, 2011 6:29:13 pm PDT #28163 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Huh. Southern Japan now has a volcano erupting.

Earthquake. Tsunami. Nuclear Power Plant Crises. Volcano.


Trudy Booth - Mar 13, 2011 6:32:26 pm PDT #28164 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Until a minute ago in human history there was no central power -- now we sort of can't function without it.

I'm not going to move into the hills and join a militia anytime soon, but there is something to be said for getting as off the grid as one can. Transmission stops being an issue, storage is less of an issue (or you can sell it to the nabes). There are pretty powerful energy lobbies that hamper (or at least are uninterested in developing) those technologies so its tricky -- but no one is going to war over swamp coolers, heat pumps, solar cells, and windmills so they really are in our interest as a nation.

As a city dweller I don't really have those options, but we have some others. The transoms over our front doors are long gone in this building, but when I open that door and a window its a frikkin wind tunnel in here. I'm pretty confident that 90 years ago they had few days too hot to tolerate pretty easily in this building.


Kat - Mar 13, 2011 6:33:11 pm PDT #28165 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I would assume there is a geologic connection between volcano and earthquake.