See, in my fantasy, when I'm kissing you... you're kissing me. It's okay. I can wait.

Oz ,'First Date'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sarameg - Mar 13, 2011 4:48:16 pm PDT #28144 of 30001

It's worst case scenario, and the contingencies are working, even if they are pretty much leading to permanent shutdown in some cases. But people are probably going to be mostly safe from radiation exposure. We're so nuclear shy here, but really, I've changed from being anti-nuke to neutral to pro.

When I did a volunteer trip to the USSR in 1991, one of the guys I worked with was a Ukrainian firefighter. Who had worked the Chernobyl disaster in the early days. He casually remarked that drs told him not to get sunburned, ever. And of course, he did (we were working at cleaning up a monestary in prep for restoration.) I really wonder if Erik is still alive.

msbelle, the permaglaze stuff is probably gonna be a good thing for my tub as well. And maybe some of the cracked tiles. So very thank you.


Typo Boy - Mar 13, 2011 5:05:13 pm PDT #28145 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

New earthquake new tsunami warning. Did not want to argue,but uranium mining is really awful. Also wind power cheaper and cleaner than nukes.


Sue - Mar 13, 2011 5:07:23 pm PDT #28146 of 30001
hip deep in pie

Liese, I love your kitchen!

I made lemon meringue pie for tomorrow. The lemon curd is more mustard coloured than bright yellow, because I forgot to check how much white sugar I had, and ended up having to use some brown sugar in the curd. Having a stand mixer makes meringue SO MUCH easier to do. I bow down before the gods of Kitchen Aid.


Jesse - Mar 13, 2011 5:08:50 pm PDT #28147 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Ooh, yum! I love lemon meringue pie.


Cashmere - Mar 13, 2011 5:15:42 pm PDT #28148 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

I love the appliance garages! We use our corner lazy susan cabinet, which works as well--except I have to take the top off the blender.


Ginger - Mar 13, 2011 5:15:49 pm PDT #28149 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Did not want to argue,but uranium mining is really awful.

So is coal mining.

Also wind power cheaper and cleaner than nukes.

I don't necessarily disagree, but the wind doesn't always blow and until we can effectively store electricity, we're not going to be free of coal and nuclear. I still don't see any way to scale up alternate energy to U.S. demand.

This NY Times article [link] is less optimistic but probably pretty accurate. Matt Wald is the only major journalist with nuclear expertise.


Typo Boy - Mar 13, 2011 5:20:13 pm PDT #28150 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

We can effective store small amounts of electricity. We can effectively move electricity. We could put what we spend on stupid wars into renewables (including storage, transmission and natural gas backups) and get a 98% fossil fuel grid less expensively than we could do the same thing with nukes. I've been cricitioal of nuke industry and it has never been about safety of power plants but about what we could do with today's technology cheaper than nukes.


sarameg - Mar 13, 2011 5:30:29 pm PDT #28151 of 30001

Transmission is a HUGE issue as it stands now. I wouldn't say we can effectively move electricity. I've been through the brownouts when the grid fails. It is not nearly as robust as it should be.

NM is largely fueled by coal. And it is local. But when the TX power plants went down, it was bad, and NM is a net exporter.


billytea - Mar 13, 2011 5:34:26 pm PDT #28152 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I have to say, I'm hugely impressed that they can suffer an 8.9 (!) earthquake and contain the damage to the nuclear plant. Which is just as well, because they won't be short of other demands on their disaster relief efforts.


Ginger - Mar 13, 2011 5:34:46 pm PDT #28153 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

As sarameg says, we really can't effectively move power now, and while there's a lot of talk about improving the grid and implementing smart grid technology, I don't see where the money's coming from.