Ann Friedman has a very good take on the whole thing. [link]
Not to miss the point about sexual assault, but wow -- I had NO idea that women still weren't allowed to compete in the ski jump in the Olympics.
Jayne, your mouth is talking. You might wanna look to that.
Mal ,'Serenity'
Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Steph L. - Feb 17, 2011 4:13:42 pm PST #23513 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
tommyrot - Feb 17, 2011 4:17:55 pm PST #23514 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
sarameg - Feb 17, 2011 4:18:07 pm PST #23515 of 30001
The problem isn't women in[...]. The problem is society's treatment and attitudes toward women. Period. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE GET THIS. I was already getting ragey because of the startup of Hollaback Bmore (shared some stories) and then this news came out and the reactions were exactly what I hate and UHGN.
Jessica - Feb 17, 2011 4:18:51 pm PST #23516 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I've been reading comments like that all over the Web. They think they're being all sympathetic by saying "It shouldn't have happened," but they don't realize (at least, I *hope* they don't) that by following up with the "what-were-you-wearing" comment, they're basically saying "bitch asked for it." Which...no.
I think some people understand exactly what they're saying, and some think they're being genuinely sympathetic.
Me, I keep coming back to the part where rape is not the victim's fault. No matter what the extenuating circumstances - she chose to wear that, she chose to drink that, she chose to walk there - still. not. her. fault.
Amy - Feb 17, 2011 4:20:59 pm PST #23517 of 30001
Because books.
Me, I keep coming back to the part where rape is not the victim's fault. No matter what the extenuating circumstances - she chose to wear that, she chose to drink that, she chose to walk there - still. not. her. fault.
Exactly. And I think Logan herself is being very brave. She didn't have to share that she was sexually assaulted as well as beaten, but she did, which is hugely important and helpful to other women who have been.
And she's still getting blamed. I give up.
Jesse - Feb 17, 2011 4:24:15 pm PST #23518 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Grrrr. I keep trying to say something meaningful, but really just: grrrrr.
sarameg - Feb 17, 2011 4:24:36 pm PST #23519 of 30001
I'll give up thinking I'll change each and every mind, but I won't give up my rage or trying to apply a cluestick.
Trudy Booth - Feb 17, 2011 4:26:10 pm PST #23520 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
I went for the response I did in part because of it being my friend's facebook and in part because it is SO FUCKING DEGRADING that people so cheerfully go to the "she was incompetent" place.
I get why some women blame the victim -- it makes them feel safe. "As long as *I* don't do "stupid" things no one will ever rape me! Hooray!"
I'm just loving the notion that a person who likely hasn't left the dink town I grew up in in thirty years knows better than a seasoned journalist what is and is not acceptable clothing in Cairo.
sarameg - Feb 17, 2011 4:28:08 pm PST #23521 of 30001
I remember how a simple conversation about my lack of cellphone with my coworker turned into a 2 hour education session on the awareness women have tocarry with them everyday. My officemate (a guy) had never.really.thought.about.it. Cause he didn't have to.
Steph L. - Feb 17, 2011 4:29:21 pm PST #23522 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
Me, I keep coming back to the part where rape is not the victim's fault. No matter what the extenuating circumstances - she chose to wear that, she chose to drink that, she chose to walk there - still. not. her. fault.
Totally. The only way to prevent rape? If rapists DON'T RAPE.
It's always something. Skirt too short, why did you go back to his apartment, you've had sex before, why didn't you fight back harder (or at all)?
Between this bullshit and the goddamn various bills that are basically making it impossible for women to have reproductive rights at all, I don't know why being a woman isn't just considered a crime in its own right. It would make things so much goddamn easier.