Fred: It's the pictures in my mind that are getting me. It's like being stuck in a really bad movie with those Clockwork Orange clampy things on my eyeballs. Wesley: Why imagine? Reality's disturbing enough.

'Shells'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Amy - Jan 26, 2011 10:08:52 am PST #19152 of 30001
Because books.

I'm pretty sure the most onerous thing I'm going to do today is shower, and I did that already. There may be a nap in my future, too.

Snow days don't bring out the productivity in me at all, especially when the littlest family member has been at a friend's since 10 a.m. with no sign of coming home anytime soon.


smonster - Jan 26, 2011 10:12:59 am PST #19153 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

On Leverage they choose their targets, and that's the end of that.

Whether or not they say, "the mark deserved it," their whole schtick is pretty much conning people who deserve it, generally because they conned someone else or hurt them in some way. I mean, right?


Jesse - Jan 26, 2011 10:20:55 am PST #19154 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

OH MY TOTAL GOD, COWORKER. What the FUCK have you been doing all day?? For the past two hours you've "been working" on that one thing? That is not even a two hour task, and you've known about it for QUITE SOME TIME. And now you're telling me you can't stay late tonight because you have to be home with your TEENAGE child?? Jesus Fucking Christ, this is exactly the kind of bullshit I do not need today.

pant pant pant


-t - Jan 26, 2011 10:21:00 am PST #19155 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Oh, wow, I didn't spot that that was Warren at all.


sumi - Jan 26, 2011 10:26:47 am PST #19156 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

I think that saying you can't con an honest person is really a roundabout way to say that nobody is completely free from larceny.


erin_obscure - Jan 26, 2011 10:33:37 am PST #19157 of 30001
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

Oh, wow, I didn't spot that that was Warren at all.

It took me a couple of scenes. At first i was thinking "i hate that guy! he seems like the kind of creep who would turn out to be a rapist!". Then i thought "he looks really familiar." Then i thought "i bet someone will flay him." Then it clicked.


§ ita § - Jan 26, 2011 10:33:56 am PST #19158 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Whether or not they say, "the mark deserved it," their whole schtick is pretty much conning people who deserve it, generally because they conned someone else or hurt them in some way. I mean, right?

But that's deliberate. It's not pretending that it's not crime and that only guilty people *can* get taken advantage of. It's that they only choose (now) to exploit of the guilty. Hustle says, by definition, they can't swindle an honest person. Leverage says it's their choice.


Connie Neil - Jan 26, 2011 10:34:18 am PST #19159 of 30001
brillig

Yes! That's why I do this job, for that breathless, grateful tone of voice when everything works precisely the way it should. That disbelieving "It works!"


erin_obscure - Jan 26, 2011 10:35:11 am PST #19160 of 30001
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

honest people get scammed. dishonest people get conned. semantics.


Liese S. - Jan 26, 2011 10:46:16 am PST #19161 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Hee, Connie. That's fun, isn't it?

Hustle says, by definition, they can't swindle an honest person. Leverage says it's their choice.

Leverage promotes itself on good guys who used to be bad guys. So it's okay for us to root for them, even though their methodology may be illegal. Honest.

Hustle promotes itself as straight up con men. So it has to be impossible for an honest person to be conned. Otherwise it would not be okay for us to root for them, because they would be bad conning conners who conned. But it's okay! 'Cause you can't con an honest man! So we can be happy when they succeed! Honest!