Yeah. He's my hero.

Mal ,'The Train Job'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


-t - Jan 26, 2011 10:21:00 am PST #19155 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Oh, wow, I didn't spot that that was Warren at all.


sumi - Jan 26, 2011 10:26:47 am PST #19156 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

I think that saying you can't con an honest person is really a roundabout way to say that nobody is completely free from larceny.


erin_obscure - Jan 26, 2011 10:33:37 am PST #19157 of 30001
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

Oh, wow, I didn't spot that that was Warren at all.

It took me a couple of scenes. At first i was thinking "i hate that guy! he seems like the kind of creep who would turn out to be a rapist!". Then i thought "he looks really familiar." Then i thought "i bet someone will flay him." Then it clicked.


§ ita § - Jan 26, 2011 10:33:56 am PST #19158 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Whether or not they say, "the mark deserved it," their whole schtick is pretty much conning people who deserve it, generally because they conned someone else or hurt them in some way. I mean, right?

But that's deliberate. It's not pretending that it's not crime and that only guilty people *can* get taken advantage of. It's that they only choose (now) to exploit of the guilty. Hustle says, by definition, they can't swindle an honest person. Leverage says it's their choice.


Connie Neil - Jan 26, 2011 10:34:18 am PST #19159 of 30001
brillig

Yes! That's why I do this job, for that breathless, grateful tone of voice when everything works precisely the way it should. That disbelieving "It works!"


erin_obscure - Jan 26, 2011 10:35:11 am PST #19160 of 30001
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

honest people get scammed. dishonest people get conned. semantics.


Liese S. - Jan 26, 2011 10:46:16 am PST #19161 of 30001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Hee, Connie. That's fun, isn't it?

Hustle says, by definition, they can't swindle an honest person. Leverage says it's their choice.

Leverage promotes itself on good guys who used to be bad guys. So it's okay for us to root for them, even though their methodology may be illegal. Honest.

Hustle promotes itself as straight up con men. So it has to be impossible for an honest person to be conned. Otherwise it would not be okay for us to root for them, because they would be bad conning conners who conned. But it's okay! 'Cause you can't con an honest man! So we can be happy when they succeed! Honest!


Jessica - Jan 26, 2011 10:51:34 am PST #19162 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I just input my credit cards into iBank so I can track actual spending habits! And wow, I had no idea we spent that much on food. Let's hope December was anomalous because if not we need to make some *serious* changes to our dining habits. Like cutting spending in half serious.

Next onerous task is making a yogurt sauce for tonight's dinner and then heading out into the snow to pick up Dylan from preschool.


§ ita § - Jan 26, 2011 10:52:27 am PST #19163 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So it has to be impossible for an honest person to be conned.

But! They have had at least one episode where they give back the money because they conned someone who didn't deserve to be stolen from. So it's in-universe established bullshit. They have episodes where they get revenge against mean people who've been conning honest people--but how can that work?


erin_obscure - Jan 26, 2011 10:53:00 am PST #19164 of 30001
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

eating out or groceries? cuz the first is easy to curb, the second, kinda essential!