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Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Jan 25, 2011 3:44:45 pm PST #18967 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that would be more of a scam than a con, ita, but that's just my gut reaction.

But why? I mean, drawing from fiction isn't the best example, but on a recent episode of Hustle they had a con where "something for nothing" meant the mark offered 500 pounds. But an honest person might have seen the same setup and offered 5000. Would it have stopped being a con and then become a scam just because the mark was honest and offered full market value?

A swindle is a swindle. There's nothing I can find in the dictionary definition that makes it not also a con.


msbelle - Jan 25, 2011 3:45:31 pm PST #18968 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

If I had the money, I would look into installing one of these in cutiehead sarameg's basement: [link]


sarameg - Jan 25, 2011 3:49:42 pm PST #18969 of 30001

Hah. Don't think I haven't idly had the same thought. Except it would be ridiculous and INSANE and asking for trouble. Besides, I like going to the Y.


§ ita § - Jan 25, 2011 3:53:17 pm PST #18970 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Sarameg needs her pool boyfriends and girlfriends. She's got it going on, dog.

Kim Clijsters? Still cute.


-t - Jan 25, 2011 3:58:46 pm PST #18971 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Would it have stopped being a con and then become a scam just because the mark was honest and offered full market value?

That's a really good question. I don't think I saw that Hustle (there are recent episodes?), so I'm not sure what my answer would be.

The whole thing is pretty fuzzy - I don't think it's wrong, as such, to refer to a swindle as a con, but I do think it's an evolution of the term and that saying "you can't con an honest man" refers to the older and more specific usage.


sarameg - Jan 25, 2011 4:04:44 pm PST #18972 of 30001

shrift, sympathies and good guiding wishes.


-t - Jan 25, 2011 4:06:01 pm PST #18973 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I'm sorry, shrift, and good luck with the problematic people.


DavidS - Jan 25, 2011 4:06:51 pm PST #18974 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

but I do think it's an evolution of the term and that saying "you can't con an honest man" refers to the older and more specific usage.

Exactly.


amyth - Jan 25, 2011 4:06:56 pm PST #18975 of 30001
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

Much sympathy, shrift, and good luck with the herding.


Sue - Jan 25, 2011 4:07:41 pm PST #18976 of 30001
hip deep in pie

I'm so sorry shrift. Good luck with the people herding.