I *demand* a performance of "I'm an Ordinary Man" next time I see him.

Ahahahaha!

Oh, that would be priceless. I keep threatening to learn "Just You Wait, 'enry 'iggens", but that gets me The Look. And a comment that "Wouldn't It Be Loverly" is more appropriate for me.

I keep threatening to learn "Just You Wait, 'enry 'iggens", but that gets me The Look. And a comment that "Wouldn't It Be Loverly" is more appropriate for me.

And he's right, but still. You should learn the other as well. I'll make you the dresses.

eta: So having sex while using contraceptives isn't sex? Is that what they're saying?

I don't think so. I think they're saying that having sex while using contraceptives is non-marital sex, i.e. adultery. And any child conceived while having sex where one has taken precautions is therefore a bastard. At least, that's how it read to me.

So if two people what are married to each other have sex while the woman has an IUD and the woman gets pregnant from that coupling, then the child is a bastard?

Being a Buffista means never having to say "Am I the only one who misread that?"

Hee!

I keep threatening to learn "Just You Wait, 'enry 'iggens", but that gets me The Look.

Ahahaha! You totally have to do this.

I love all those old musicals beyond all rationality. I know they're twingey but I give allowances. Partially because I was a child when I first watched and loved them.

This is going to be a hard year.

Oh, Stephanie. That's so tough. Poor Ellie. It was hard on you when they were wee and you were wrangling, but now she's old enough to understand and that's even harder. Your family is one of the ones I think about when I consider my views on pacifism. It's helped me learn a deep respect for the military families, and want us as a nation to be better stewards with you guys.

Travel~ma for Teppy. The SO hates to fly, so I understand.

So if two people what are married to each other have sex while the woman has an IUD and the woman gets pregnant from that coupling, then the child is a bastard?

Apparently, yes. Unless they sing "The Rain in Spain" during the sex act.

Wow. Being Catholic is complicated!

If you never had sex with the intent to produce a child, the marriage was never consummated.

I could have my marriage annulled.

I think everyone involved in the debate on sj's wall deserves medals of honor in Internet civility.

As a former Catholic, I can say with authority, the mental gymnastics required to be a fully faithful and participating Catholic according to Canon Law are overwhelming in the extreme. I don't actually know anyone personally who adheres to the letter of the law. It's crazycakes.

Laga: exactly! I think that's what they're getting at, ultimately. 1) If you're a priest, strongly advise your parishoners not to use contraception, and 2) if you've always used contraception in your marriage, hey, you can totally get an annulment!