I'm very sorry if she tipped off anyone about your cunningly concealed herd of cows.

Simon ,'Safe'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


meara - Jun 22, 2010 10:42:52 am PDT #8231 of 30001

Dangit I'm working hard today but I want to be in on the bi discussion!! There is desfinitely abhuge "bi now gay later" feeling for guys, and a "it's just a phase" feeling for girls. I think it's a social thing as much as anything--men are much more willing to date bi women ("that's hot!") than women are to date bi men ("I'm not your beard!"--though I think that's changing), thus it bwcoems a self fulfilling prophecy. And like Kate P said, at least for women, you meet more straight men than you do queer women. (for men, you can meet as many gay men as women open to datiing a man who's slept with men, I expect).

That all said--teppy, your thing with queer made me smile remembering a convo had with a friend re another friend who is a transguy, dating a girl who IDs as straight. And we were all "yes, not to invalidate his male identity, but there's something fairly queer about being willing to date a trans guy".


Frankenbuddha - Jun 22, 2010 10:43:46 am PDT #8232 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Has there ever been a supervillian called The Master of Sock-puppets or somesuch? If not, there should be.

Well, there was a villain on the Tick (animated version) where a big, dumb goon was wearing a puppet, and the puppet was the brains of the operation. I can't remember the characters' name, though.

"Read a BOOK!!!!"


Gudanov - Jun 22, 2010 10:45:18 am PDT #8233 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

I think maybe the ability to go out on the Internet (and radio and TV to a certain extent) and find support for your position, no matter how ignorant it is, has insulated people against facts and actual experts.


Toddson - Jun 22, 2010 10:46:12 am PDT #8234 of 30001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

ignorance is bliss?

eta: in response to Allyson


tommyrot - Jun 22, 2010 10:46:20 am PDT #8235 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Also, I see this more and more: "Everyone has a right to their opinion."

Yeah. The inability of people to agree on facts is really fucking this country up politically.


Burrell - Jun 22, 2010 10:46:27 am PDT #8236 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I think it's that you work at JPL, Allyson. You don't spend a lot of face time with the "Don't make me think!" crowd.


§ ita § - Jun 22, 2010 10:46:56 am PDT #8237 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Apparently my straight FTM cousin doesn't tell his dates early on that he's trans. I have no idea how I'd deal. I think the whiplash of expectations would be a big deal--is it easier to come to terms with that up front, or to already fall for someone and then process it later?

Then again, I think he's a fairly religious Jew (and, obviously, black), so the whole dating thing is massively complicated.


Gudanov - Jun 22, 2010 10:48:04 am PDT #8238 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

Also I think the media (in least in this country) has gotten lax about trying to report actual facts, preferring to cover the debate instead.


tommyrot - Jun 22, 2010 10:50:31 am PDT #8239 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Also I think the media (in least in this country) has gotten lax about trying to report actual facts, preferring to cover the debate instead.

Yeah, that's a definite problem. Especially when you have two sides to an issue, where one side is mostly right and the other side is insane.

Paul Krugman once wrote that if Republicans came out saying the world is flat and Democrats said it was round, the headlines would read: "Shape of the World: Two Opposing Views"


Burrell - Jun 22, 2010 10:50:46 am PDT #8240 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Also, I see this more and more: "Everyone has a right to their opinion."

Oh, that one! Grrrr.